4-AcO into 4-HO

Now you have to call me stupid for trying to find out info i've heard before. You sir are defo negative.

What if it came back i was correct? would you be stupid. Honest question.

 

I suppose so.

I said stupid and/or stubborn. You very well may just be the latter, but there has been a fair amount of evidence here disproving your hypothesis. I certainly couldn't say without a doubt you are wrong but I've also never read anything that really gives your hypothesis any weight.

Do you have fumarate or freebase?

 

Fumarate

 

Ah well I asked because I've heard the fumarate is much more stable than the freebase which is why its sold more often so vendors can protect their asses in countries where psilocin is schedule 1 or an equivalent illegal status.

Tons of speculation though and alot of my info is based on scarce research but I do know for sure on legitimate research that pure psilocin is white crystals.

 

I heard freebase is very unstable. So it does apparently degrade into Psilocin in some cases hence not selling freebase? But it's not definite.

 

Was your 4-aco in a freezer? If so, I am curious how long it took to turn brown. If 4-aco fumarate salt is put into an air tight bag (with some of it capsulized, then put into a bag) and then placed in a freezer, is there any danger of it degrading? I admit my ignorance in many areas of chemistry.

 

No it wasn't, like i said earlier in a baggie it never turned brown.

 

There is zero evidence that 4-aco-dmt is transformed into psilocin in the human body. ZERO EVIDENCE.

This is just like the "dreams = dmt" urban myth going around. Once these things start there's no stopping them, because people want to believe that their 4aces is actually pro-psilocin, when really, all you have to do is TAKE IT, and you'll realize it is not "mushroom powder", it is 4-aco-dmt.

All RCs degrade when not stored properly, often turning a darker color and more liquid. The fact that it is now the color of mushrooms says nothing, because mushrooms are that color due to their fungal flesh reflecting certain wavelengths of light back into our eyes; psilocin is not the color of dried mushrooms. Is DMT green since a rotting human corpse contains DMT in its cells yet is turning green and liquifying? No, the color does not reflect the chemical content in such a case, nor for your 4aces degrading. Most likely it has degraded in some small part into some inactive compounds.

 

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wifi/O-acetylpsilocin]http://en.wikipedia.org/wifi/O-acetylpsilocin[/URL]

You better get someone fixing the pharmacology section of 4-aco dmt then. You can't make a reliable comparison from a single isolated compound to a living multi-compound carrying lifeform that has many more variables to take into account. Mescaline is an obvious example of this.

This is what I take issue with as well with the op. assuming the color variation= different chemical.

 

Yeah i'm not that stupid to believe COS MUSHROOMS GO BROWN blah blah blah, i was making a comparison. Because i thought it may degrade into 4-HO.

So there's zero evidence? Why should i believe you over many others, can you show me anything that says this.

 

one time i did a CWE on a script of hydrocodones and after a couple of days the liquid i had left over turned brown too! MUSHROOM BROWN

 

I can't show you evidence that something does NOT exist, just like I can't prove aliens DONT exist, but you shouldn't believe it til you see proof and there's NONE. as far as i know

guerr, notice in that wikipedia article, after saying it's converted to psilocin in the body, there's a footnote "CITATION NEEDED". that means someone just wrote that there, some helpful friend from the interwebz who heard it from another friend on the interwebz and now it's on wikipedia for other interwebz people to be fooled by. The paragraph right after that sentence invalidates it as well, lol.

 

Its also on erowid which I deem reliable as well.

I haven't seen a professional abstract with a bunch of people hooked up to machines that can extract the shit from their brain to see if it hydrolosized to give it a 100% validity and I doubt we ever will but its a bit more substantiated to me in my mind than the dmt myth. Many, including myself find 4-aco dmt fairly similar to mushrooms and I've read reports comparing it to pure psilocin saying its virtually indistuinguishable except for the comeup. There may not be full conversion but it sounds pretty much similar to how ald-52 converts to LSD. Your underlined seemingly arrogant assertion without any sort of reasoning doesnt really shed any light.

Comparing your personal subjective experience to mushrooms is a very amateur way to go about it especially with your limited (3 trips?) experience with mushrooms, as trips with the same exact substance can vary dramatically with psychs. I'm not very experienced with 4-ac0 dmt but I've read many other reports suggesting similarities to mushrooms like my own and even more similarities to pure psilocin.

 

What are you talking about man?

from erowid:

I don't see how it gets any plainer? There is only one thing that we have evidence for at the moment, and it is the following fact: That there is ZERO EVIDENCE for the 4aces->psilocin reaction. It all started with just speculation, based on a possible simple reaction that might possibly happen in the human stomach and now post hoc people are commenting on how it is indeed, very similar to mushrooms. Keep in mind that just as many people will tell you they have done both and that 4aces is more DMTesque than mushroomy. I am one such person.

Also it can be very tricky distinguising 4-subbed tryptamines. I'm sure if anybody in this thread were blindfolded and given either miprocin or psilocin HCL, we couldn't tell which we were on.

 

Lol that erowid passage says exactly what I said... 'There may not be a full conversion...'

Thats what I'm talking about

 

"It is probably metabolically converted into psilocin in the body"

this sentence doesn't sound very sure of itself

 

Cause this hasn't happened, they are sure enough to post it.

 

i ate old 4acodmt. i thought that it might be degraded because 25 mg was pretty mild. but that dose can be mild for some anyways. but i think if it degrades, it's just gonna get weaker. and like they have said, the color has nothing to do with it.

i would say that it's not unlikely for an acetoxy to convert to a hydroxy in vivo, but i don't know of any solid proof either.

 

I would think some sort of test could definitely prove or disprove the theory/myth. Im not super well versed in the chemistry aspect but I assume some tests must have been conducted to discover psilocybin converts to psilocin. (I've never seen proof for this either so perhaps we can dispute it as well)

Assuming that though, I think its pretty much accepted that the conversion of 4-aco dmt would be slightly different accounting for some of the different effects but the rationale its based on is similar. I certainly hope someone more knowledgeable than I in pharmalogical action has discussed this thoroughly enough warranting it to be posted up on erowid...

I don't think they will do a study like that anytime soon though even if possible, with the taboo nature of psychedelics to mainstream society and the little research that is being done seems more invested towards therapeutic aspects.