4 ho met

so about MAOIs...is an "MAOI diet" something you follow when you are going to take an MAOI?
my question is, should follow the maoi diet when i want to dose a PEA? or is it maoi diet when you want to take ayahuasca?


about the 2 acid tabs. you could take one, then another an hour later. that is actually what i did this past weekend. but i should have eaten them both at once. like guerilla said, if you are gonna take two, just eat em both, sit back and relax.

 

i was planning on walking a scenic path in town.

is that a bad idea for 1st time??

 

maybe not. you probably won't like the idea of being in public or around a lot of people. i would drop your L, wait a few hours, and then see if you feel like going for a walk. being outside while tripping is extra awesome

 

Think you'll be fine.
I went out in the woods/river at one point during my first acid trip.

 

I think you'll enjoy it as long as it's not tooooo bumpin' with people. I ate 3 tabs my first trip and went hiking, then to a crowded mall on a Friday night which I thought might bug me out but it was actually pretty amusing, then walked all around my town that night. For the most part I seemed to be just as pleased whether I was inside or outside, unlike other trips where I sometimes feel antsy and confined if I stay inside too long, or I get anxious and uncomfortable from body load and too many people and just want to go home and lay down. As long as you have a sober person to walk/drive you where you want to go and listen to your inclinations if you need a change in setting, you'll be good.

 

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There are two kinds of MAO, MAO-A and MAO-B. Therefore there are two kinds of MAOIS, MAO-A Inhibitors, and MAO-B Inhibitors (and those of both as well). A chemical found in certain foods is Tyramine, which is broken down in your body by MAO-A normally. However, if you inhibit MAO-A, and eat some foods containing Tyramine, it will not get broken down, and will actually cross the blood brain barrier, bind into certain receptors, generate neural activity (releasing adrenaline etc) and you'll be in a serious medical crisis. You are unlikely to ever come across an MAO-A Inhibitor in your life. Most MAOIS are MAO-B Inhibitors, and MAO-B really only deals with things like medicines (so you should still be wary of mixing medicines and drug with MAOIs, but any food is fine.)

Ayahuasca is the term for the brew containing both the MAO(B)I component and the DMT source. Syrian rue is MAO-B-I. Ditto for the Ayahuasca vine.

PEAs are not MAOIs at all, so of course you would not need to follow any diet. What are you talking about You've done 2c-e before.

 

well i was pretty sure...but i was wondering if for example, eating a bunch of cheese the day or morning before dosing 2ce maybe isn't a great idea. but now i know it has nothing to do with maoi

 

Yeah and I love it ...

 

sweet man let me know what you think of 4-ho-met in comparison.

overall very well said writer but the harmala alkaloids(syrian rue) are used to inhibit mao-A which in turn won't break down the dmt before it enters the blood stream.

 

Are you sure you got MAO-A and MAO-B the right way around there? Maybe I'm just being dopey since I just got up, but I was 99% sure that it was MAO-A inhibitors that were used with tryptamines such as DMT - but that are dangerous to combine with phenethylamines, and MAO-B inhibitors that can potentiate phenethylamines (though not as safely as MAO-A and tryptamines)

According to Wiki:
Harmaline found in Peganum harmala, as well as the Ayahuasca vine, Banisteriopsis caapi and tobacco is a "reversible inhibitor of MAO-A (RIMA)."[3]

Not really all that important but just thought I'd post because it'd suck if someone took the wrong kind of MAOI and ended up in hospital or worse.

@Porkstock: Phens are definitely not MAOIs, so I think you probably read something about MAOIs being bad to combine with phens rather than you having to eat an MAOI diet when taking phens. I thought the same thing (about phens being MAOI) actually before I tried 2C-E, then I re-read up on it before purchasing some and discovered I was wrong.

 

^^^ actually mdma and 2ct7 at least are supposed to act as maoi's as well, I'm pretty sure. There may be a couple more too.

 

So this is the must confusing subject ever

Do you need a special diet with pea?

Do you need a special diet with tryp?

Mao b dont mix with pea

Mao a dont mix with tryp

Is this correct?

 

technically:

No

No

Yes

maoi-a is what you mix with dmt to make aya/pharmahuasca, so no thats not correct.

 

So for people that take no meds can eat whatever they want on whatever drug it be?

 

The special diet is for maoi-a with tryptamines, It curbs nausea though and helps better prepare you mentally and physically so its not a bad idea, but you probably wont have any serious complications if you don't follow it.

Its wise to avoid maoi's with phens

 

Always better safe than dead and yes it does get confusing. In particular with combinations.

You do not NEED a special diet with tryptamines or phenethylamines, though some people do various cleansing rituals (including diet) before tripping.

i wouldn't mix MAOI-B (the long-term, permanent ones) with any psychedelic. And these are the ones (Moclibimide) that require a special diet because they inhibit monamine oxidase for weeks, not hours.

i mix MAOI-A all the time with N,N, DMT with no ill effect other than lengthening and deepening the trip. i have heard it is a big no-no with 5-meo-DMT. i have heard that it can work with DPT and am not sure about other tryptamines such as 5-meo-DIPT and 5-meo-MIPT.

i would be careful (i haven't done it) in mixing MAOI-A with phenethylamines. gueillabedlam is not the only one who has heard that things like MDMA have an inherent MAOI effect already . . .


Hope this does not add to the confusion.

 

Well personally I try to eat light and healthy or even fast the day of the trip, pretty much regardless what psychedelic I'm taking.

 

Good god im glad i dont take meds. Shits confusing as shit! Lighting a bowl maybe that will help. Join me bedlam!

 

I usually dont' eat at all until i'm tripping then I pig out on some fruit, salads and other pretty healthy stuff as well.

 

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