9/11 Loose Change Vid

But again people give our government way too much credit then it deserves. Chances are the people who are supposed to monitor or control the security at the pentagon were out getting ice coffees or had the day off.

 

I totally disagree. The government isn't half as feeble as many people think it is. Its perceived feeblemindedness is usually intentional. I think FDR was right when he said:

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

...and FDR would know.

I think you'd be giving the government too much credit if you believe major events occur by accident. I have come to learn that almost everything is planned.

You have to remember that the country isn't being run by idiots like Bush, who are nothing more than puppets. The people who are running the show know EXACTLY what they're doing. If they were all idiots, they wouldn't have so much of the public fooled like they do.

 

yes

 

Your myspace is very well done. Wow, thats a lot of information I have to read.

 

I liked it, You should check out Confronting The Evidence. You can get a free copy at
http://www.reopen911.org/index.htm

 

Very true statement.

 

Yes, I know I criticized the loose change video but now that I fully watched it I am pretty surprised at how much evidence is out there about how our own government planned the 9/11 incident. I've always questioned 9/11 but I never seen all the facts right there in front of me. It all ties together how everything in history is planned for a reason and 9/11 is now included on that list of events. Its the Reichstag Burning only the enemy aren't communist but terrorist. You were absolutely right on everything Pressed Rat and am with you and anyone else on waking up America to the lies we are being told.

 

No, I just saw your post, im not stalking you lol. It was just a joke anyway..

 

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...se/1227842.html

I'd especially say go to the second link and watch all the video clips for screw loose change under the youtube section.


Fuck Loose Change.

 

fuck loose change? why the hell would you say that, oh yeah because your one of those so called "liberals " who are just as bad if not worse than the republicans they claim to hate so much. They claim to love freedom of speech when it applies to them and then they go around saying fuck the people who say shit i disagree with. WHy would you say fuck loose change, a movie made by three hard working college kids who could be off partying and drinking every night, but instead they have their fun but keep their priorities straight and are trying to make a change. All those links are from people who uncomforatable with the facts and can't accept them. Just like when people thought the world was flat and you were demonized for saying it was round, people were too uncomforatable and ignorant and would rather lie to themselves to feel better and more comforatable, why doon't you do some real research instead of watching youtube.

 

Cause it's not true at all, but it has everyone all running around about it, and I gave you more sites then youtube(Ironic though since most people who have seen Loose Change saw it over, the OMG, internet. Christ, sometimes it doesn't take something like popular mechanics to get logic across, but hey, there's a story there about it too. Go watch the movie clips, it debunks Loose Change step by step. And I never said I was a liberal.

 

So does that mean if I made a movie about how the US was planning an invasion of Canada for "security purposes", got a bunch of bits and pieces of facts, got a bunch of people to believe it, then had people try to debunk it, obviously we're gonna try to invade Canada.

 

Well thats good. I knew those posts were getting on your nerves but I did quit it and I see you noticed.

 

cool, so were good then hahaha

 

A small group of people sucker punched the U.S. on 911 and the govt used it to its full advantage. The govt was guilty of not protecting its citizens on 911 which cost 3000 lives. It used 911 as an excuse to invade and overthrow two countries; used the fear tactic to its advantage to get re-elected and to invoke laws that infringe on civil rights; caused the deaths of tens of thousand of people in Iraq and 2500 U.S. troop deaths; and smeared the reputation of the U.S. in the eyes of the international community.

If all of that isn't reason enough for Americans to protest against the policies of this administration, then what is? So now out of desperation we are supposed to fall in line rank and file behind wild stories about cruise missiles, mini-nukes, thermite, holographic projection, thermobaric bombs, disguised aircraft, silent explosives, and who knows what else as a means of trying to get people to protest. Moreover, people not falling in line then get name-called and accused of not being part of a group that other people labeled them as supposedly belonging to. It's a sorry state of affairs that methods like this are called upon in order to try to get complacent people to question policies. It's much the same as the desperation approach of WMD used by the Bush administration to try to get what it wanted. If the death of tens of thousands of people isn't reason enough, fabrications and speculation aren't likely to change people's minds either, and such claims undermine the credibility of the groups purporting them.

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"So now out of desperation we are supposed to fall in line rank and file behind wild stories about cruise missiles, mini-nukes, thermite, holographic projection, thermobaric bombs, disguised aircraft, silent explosives,"

WOw I am actually starting to think your cointelpro. I am part of the 9/11 truth movement and i never say anything about cruise missiles or mini-nukes, thermite does have an interest to me being that Steven Jones, a BYU physics professor got samples of the steel from the WTC towers and they all tested positive for thermite, if your gonna try and discredit the movement for that then your wrong. I never said anything about Holographic Projection, thermobaric bombs or silent explosives. You are trying to demonize a complete movement just because a few crackpots spread this information. Any 9/11 Truther can prove his/her point by showing who had the motive, the means, the ability to cover it up, the ability to have the same exact wargames going on at the exact same time as the real hijackings to confuse Norad and prevent an interception, etc. and doesn't need to spout "theories" like drones and a cruise missile hitting the pentagon.

 

.. have you read steven jone's report? i just did , doesnt mention anything about steel samples taken, could you show me where in the report you read this, maybe i missed it.

 

stfu fuzzy. this was a reply to AHH where i quoted him as saying jones tested steel from the WTC, which even jones says he hasnt done . the video shows jones collecting an testing steel from the WTC?

 

Jones's thermite theory was an ad hoc attempt to try to explain the sulfur that was found in one of the steel specimens from the WTC site. None of the steel samples showed evidence of thermite. If someone wants to claim this, they need to back it up with documentation and a valid argument.

There was a steel specimen that was analyzed by MIT that showed sulfur content. What happened to the steel specimen is known as hot sulphidation. It's similar to oxidation of steel except that the steel sulphidizes at elevated temperature. The signature of sulphidation is different than effects of thermite. Thermite would have melted right through the steel and changed the microstructure in a way that's different than hot sulphidation.

Hot sulfidation is a gradual erosion of the steel and leaves a reduced cross sectional area of the steel, as was seen in the steel specimen analyzed by the MIT group. It occurs at a few hundred C and higher in an atmosphere that contains sulfates. It doesn't literally melt the steel at its melting point as thermite would. People in industry have a lot of experience with the same sulphidation phenomenon with degradation of smokestacks due to the presence of sulfates in the waste gases.

Jones, for the most part, has downplayed all of the copious amounts of sulfur bearing materials in the towers, including gypsum wallboard (calcium sulfate), sulfur in synthetic rubber (car tires and other items), sulfur in plastics, and sulfur in diesel fuel which was believed to be burning in WTC7. Jones has wrongly claimed a photo of concrete and steel debris to be slag of thermite. The photo from his page is actually pieces of what used to be concrete floors sandwiched between floor trusses that were supporting them. Jones claims the concrete is slag associated with thermite and that the steel of the trusses was molten iron from thermite but gives no support for that claim.

The thermite 'argument' has been expanded by conspiracy advocates and has become a crutch to explain literally everything. People are now claiming that thermite was pouring out the window of the south tower when in fact the evidence shows that it was molten aluminum from the aircraft. People are claiming thermite was secretly planted all over the towers before 911 to assist gravity in collapsing the towers. People are claiming that bright orange spots seen in photos of ground zero are thermite when in fact you can see that it's due to people holding torches to cut columns as part of the cleanup effort. People are claiming that the torch cuts of columns were due to thermite. Some people are claiming that photos of sludge in the basement of the towers was molten iron due to thermite.

There's no end to the baseless claims.

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OK Actually Shaggie, I do agree with you, I don't want to talk about Thermite or any of that, I mean it's interesting But I don't agree how some reporters and other people act like this is a final report and it's conclusive evidence. There is a lot of stuff that's very debatable about 9/11 and what makes me think something's wrong is the fact that the government and high people in high places never talk about it, never confront it, and never are even asked by the media about this event, it seems like there is a very obvious coverup and if you can't see that I'm sorry, but a lot of people do now, and i feel it's kind of too bad they are all being swayed towards debating about if a missile hit the pentagon or a plane, because in the end, the entire crime was perpetrated by people inside the US government, and the intelligence apparatus, and whether or not a plane hit it or a missile or a UFO (That's a joke...) it doesn't matter because in the end the only thing that matters is what I said before: "the entire crime was perpetrated by people inside the US government, and the intelligence apparatus".