9/11 truth now!

A paper passport surviving a fireball that melted steel, the unusual stock-trading activity in days leading up to the event, jet fuel being unable to burn hot enough to do the damage required to bring down the towers - let alone so quickly, the collapse pattern not reconciling with the external damage, building seven collapsing despite not suffering external damage, building seven imploding perfectly into its footprint in a way that can only occur in controlled demolition, numerous 'hijackers' being found alive and well across the world in the time following, the absolutely minimal amount of money spent on 9/11 research by the government(many, many times less than what was spent on the Monica Lewinski incident, for example), the wreckage pattern of the plane in Pennsylvania being inconsistent with a crash but matching a missile hit...and, well, I think that's enough for now.

 

Perhaps because no one ever intended to investigate?

 

No because it was pretty obvious what happened. Again, alright no one intended to investigate, so the entire NYPD and and the entire state of Virginia police forces are in on the conspiracy to cover up any investigation from happening.

 

Ugh, that damn passport again, from my post 3 pages ago that BCH has still yet to respond to

Explosions do not incinerate everything around them, they're not nuclear explosions(which by the way things also survive) Personal mementos are found at the sight of every plane wreck and explosion. The explosion doesn't destroy everything, the force from the expanding heat and gas acts as a propulsion for some things to move away from the blast, even the artifacts from the Colubmia space shuttle which experienced heat that makes an 9/11 explosion look like a firecracker............40 miles above the surface. All this is is reaching to connect 2 points that don't exist because of misunderstanding of physics.

 

September 13-December 19, 2001: Investigators Work to Identify Flight 93 Victims
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Human remains from the Flight 93 crash site are moved to a temporary morgue that has been set up at the Pennsylvania National Guard Armory, several miles away in Friedens. High-tech mortuary equipment has been brought to the armory in a tractor-trailer. [Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency, 9/12/2001 pdf file; WTAE-TV, 9/13/2001] 75 to 100 specialists, including pathologists and fingerprint experts, are involved in the attempt to identify the remains. Forensic anthropologist Dennis Dirkmaat says that because the remains have suffered “extreme fragmentation,” most will need to be identified using DNA analysis. [Washington Post, 9/14/2001] When remains cannot be identified at the temporary morgue, samples are sent on to the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville, Maryland, where samples from the Pentagon crash are also being analyzed (see September 11-November 16, 2001). [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/25/2001; Stars and Stripes, 10/8/2001; KCRA, 12/20/2001] By December 19, the remains of all 40 passengers and crew from Flight 93 have been identified, using fingerprints, dental records, and DNA. Investigators have, by a process of elimination, also been able to isolate genetic profiles of the four hijackers. [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/30/2001; DMORT National News, 1/2002; Associated Press, 2/26/2002; Stripe, 9/20/2002] Searchers recovered about 510 pounds of human remains at the crash scene, equaling about eight percent of the total bodyweight on the plane. According to Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller, everything else was vaporized. [Washington Post, 5/12/2002; Age (Melbourne), 9/9/2002; Canadian Press, 3/28/2004]

Entity Tags: Wallace Miller, Dennis Dirkmaat, Pennsylvania National Guard Armory, Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory

I don't want to post to much crap to clutter up the thread too much but I think the crash site deserved an official crime scene investigation.

 

That's been said for the last 8/9 years.
People greater than I have gone over and over that.
Heck, I'm sure if you go through this thread all those points have been raised.
Yes, they are some of the fundementals of this incident.
But it isn't like nobody has investigated those points before.

You said: "...even when the 9/11 Truth movement makes a good."

That suggested to me, new questions, not old (really old) questions.
I do appreciate some of the "truth movement" reset their clocks every now and again and start from the begining as if it's all new...and ignore what has already been said.
We are all, pretty much, going over what has already been investigated before.
If you have never read any potential answers to the questions you raise, where the hell have you been for the last decade?

 

Jesus this, I'm sorry Grim everything you say has already been disproved, in fact multiple times in the past 8 pages. We spent tons of money on 9/11 research, it's part of the overall homeland security and NSA budget. Building 7, go back and look at the pictures from that day I posted a few pages back, it had a gash over 12 stories long in it a long time before it even collapsed, and it didn't collapse all at once, the south side partially pancaked collapsed before the north side followed it, this is the opposite of a demolition. Building 7 nowhere near imploded perfectly by every account of it, I dont' even know how this started. And how is flight 93 more consistent with a missile?

 

I've read plenty of potential answers, none of which invalidated the questions.
What happened happened, and there is a finite amount of things to be investigated and queried - so it's going to keep coming down to a set of more fundamental points over and over again.

But as I said at first, I think it's time most of the dissident/revolutionary/conspiracy types move on from making 9/11 their soap box. It's a big event and proving what really happened would certainly shake things up in a lot of ways - but it's buried under a decade now and will likely forever be relegated to the same questions being bounced back and forth. It's still important and something people should at least read up on once to broaden their view of the event and the world in general - but we're past the point where 9/11 is ever going to help anyone 'fix things'.

 

When did you know there wasn't an "official crime scene investigation"?
...are you intentionally playing dumb?

 

Location of Pentagon Strike

Whereas what struck the Pentagon around 9:38 AM 9/11/01 remains a topic fiercely debated among skeptics of the official story, where it was struck is without question. That was a portion of the vast building's west block which had been undergoing renovation and reinforcement prior to the attack. Because the renovation of that section was only nearing completion at the time of the attack, being only five days from its scheduled completion date of 9/16/01, it was sparsely occupied. Its attack did not kill a single high-ranking Pentagon official.

The fact that the one sparsely occupied section of the Pentagon was struck is made even more remarkable by the maneuver required by the jetliner that approached and supposedly crashed into the building. It approached Washington from the west, and executed a 330-degree descending spiral, losing 7000 feet in under three minutes, and leveled out to an approach so shallow that it clipped lamp poles hundreds of feet away from the crash site. Air traffic controller Danielle O' Brien thought it was a military plane, based on this maneuver. She told ABC News:
The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air-traffic controllers, that that was a military plane ... You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe.

 

None of what I said has been disproved. The money spent on 9/11 research was in fact very small compared to what has been spent on comparatively insignificant things. The passport's fluke survival was far too convenient. Building seven did, in fact, implode immediately and all at once. And see Michael Phelps post for more on the flight 93 fabricated hero story.

Now, as my whole point is that 9/11 arguments aren't doing anyone any good anymore - I'm out.

 

This.

 

Is this a future post of mine?

 

It just seeemed you were suggesting new questions were not being listened to, that's all.

You spoke as if the truth was known but it is quite different to that of the gov' view.
As different as no aeroplanes hitting the towers and the Pentagon or more basic questions as who sponsored the events?

How would it shake things up?

If some people can't even agree aeroplanes hit both locations...we're pretty much doomed to go around in circles.

 

Now would talking about the FBI's involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing be of any value or is that just water under the bridge?

 

Well depends, how does it matter?

 

Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"

By Ralph Blumenthal

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building
a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center,
and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting
harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after
the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb
and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by
an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer,
Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.


It matters because it is an example of government involvement in a "terrorist attack".

 

That's the government trying to do its job, infiltrate terrorist and stop the attack from happening to begin with.

 

Michael Phelps,

WOW. Tenuous.

Fixed: "It matters because it is an example of government involvement in thwarting a "terrorist attack".

Substituting chemicals and other materials has been done before.
It's not left till the devices are planted in the buildings that were planned to be destroyed.

No offence, but please do better than this, ffs.

 

The story can seem wishy washy but many articles about this imply that the FBI wanted the bomb to go off.