A Birthday Party Argument

hmm from what I gathered from the post, this person wasnt in anyone's face, nor did it sound like she was the aggressive one (sounds like the person who was up in her face was). she showed up at a party. someone made the comment that she was wearing fur, and she said, yes. its not like she was waving steaks in annie's face. and from what I gathered, people were trying to keep annie back from getting up in her face. seriously, though, she had a right to do whatever she wanted. its her opinion and tastes. my brother walks into family gatherings wearing either a chicago cubs hat or a boston red sox hat, when clearly the whole family are all st louis cardinal fans. and IM sure he does it out of spite.... but we dont get up in his face about it. and yes, its just like your views on vegetarianism. although, our focus is on a sports team. we dont mock him and belittle him for what he is wearing in the house, or at the family gathering. so what?? why shun someone for a varying opinion?? not everyone thinks like you. not everyone will be vegetarian or vegan. get over it.

I never see a meat eater make a big deal about a lonely vegetarian in a group. making fun of them for their choice and views on eating animal flesh..... but, on the other hand, Ive seen so many times, vegetarians and vegans giving meat eaters hell for what they eat. why is that?? do you see meat eaters makin fun of people for eating tofu or carrots?? no. do you see vegetarians getting all up in someones face for eating a steak?? yes.

 

did you know the trace amounts of thc in industrial hemp can be released with methane? try it with someone who has some hemp jeans... the shot-gun method works best... call me sweet farts

 

madcrappie makes some excellent points on the militancy of vegan and vegetarian people and something i alluded to as well and i think there is great understanding for those of the vegan/vegetarian outlook to be gained here if pursued in a reasonable and non-histrionic fashion

he may or may not be correct in his assesment of the atmosphere and intentions of this person or the party but yes, he does seem to be correct that it was the vegans who approached her and too, she may have had an innocence about her prank not realizing the affrontary of her actions

anyways, i don't think it so important to consider the transgressions of others... folks bury themselves with their own sins and our tit for tatting mentality will have us getting buried as well... it saps the life force to live with such a superficial mentalism... it is important to forgive and forget in living a life of abundance and self-worth

 

No one was being aggressive...it was supposed to be a nice friendly debate on things which had been happening all night long among various people. I dont' know if you actually read my thread...because you seem to be repeating some of the same things you said before...but people were actually SHOCKED that she would have enough balls to wear something like that in my house.

It was much worse than that it was something along the lines of "Yes, actually I AM"...with her nose up in the air like she was PROUD of it. Give me a break.

Uh...not

So she has the right to be rude to me, my bf, and my household? If so, that's not much of a friend...

So being a sports fan is a MORAL decision? Uh, no...I don't think so.

No it's not like vegetarianism, actually. Being a sportsfan is not a moral decision you make...give me a break. And no one was mocking or belittling her...we were asking her questions (btw, I hate repeating myself...you obviously don't read threads very well).

Geez, how many vegetarians have you been around? Ask anyone in this forum and see if they've been beraded by meateaters. I'd say 99.9% of us have...I get the "rabbit food" comment all the time...and people eating steaks right in my face saying "MOOOOOOO". I don't normally say anything to anyone about it. I asked an innocent question about a coat she was wearing and she took it to an extreme. Not only that, but I'd NEVER go into someone's house and start harrassing them for being meateaters. That's ridiculous. You don't know what it's like to be a vegetarian, so you can't even BEGIN to speculate. I've been on both sides of the fence. I've been a meateater AND a vegetarian. madcrappie, hang it up. You don't know how to read threads and your arguements are baseless.

 

see, this is the difference between cardinals and red sox fans. if a family member showed up at a gathering wearing a Yankees cap, they'd probably get their ass kicked

 

Yep, Annie, I agree with you. I have had veggie friends before I was one and I would never dream of making a big deal about eating meat or wearing fur or anything similar to that. I have been one and I understand how offensive that is. It's a moral choice, not some baseless opinion, Madcrappie.

PS. Madcrappie, why don't you go to a sports bar and wear the opposing teams shirt and cheer for them loudly while dissing the hometeam. I bet you would be escorted out by the staff at the end of the game if they were in a good mood, or you might get your ass beat in the bathroom/ parking lot. Believe me, I have seen it happen, and that's just sports...

Peace & Love

 

people take things too seriously.

and not everyone is the same.

deal with it.

you cant brainwash everyone to think like you.

and what a boring world it would be if everyone had the same tastes and/or opinions.

 

Just to defend Mc for a moment; I don't believe the girl was "cheering loudly" or "dissing" anybody. If you're making that connection, she would be the chick walking in wearing the opposing team's shirt, sitting down, hanging out, and when her colors are noticed, simply saying "Yes, I am wearing it." Except for the drunken fools, I don't think anybody would take offence to her being there.

Annie, you said the other people at the party were omnis. Their morals, then, differ from yours. How do you maintain those friendships? They may have eaten a steak for lunch before coming to your house. I think that singling your one friend out for wearing fur in your house may have been unfair. You know what her choices in life are, just like the rest of the party who have different morals from yours.


~Peace

 

Nenni, maybe you miss the point of the analogy, and maybe you misread the Annie's post. The friend did in fact go on about why she wore fur (much like cheering for an opposing team). In my analogy, the people in the sports bar ARE drunk. There are only a few sober ones (hopefully the drivers!) but the majority (sobers included) will be very offended. How many playoff games have you been to at sports bars when there is one obnoxious guy making an ass of himself (in a similar way the friend did)?

Peace & love

 

Maybe I am misunderstanding.... I don't know. Just from Annie's description, it didn't sound like the girl was being obnoxious like a person cheering for the other team would be in a pub. She just wore the fur, and when asked, said that she thought it was cute, etc. If anything, like I said, the girl is guilty of not being able to maintain a decent conversation. Lol. I've asked some of my friends politely, in a non-accusatory way, why they choose to eat meat. I tell ya, it's really annoying when you get a blank-stare response to your questions. It's not even the morals that bother me, it's just the total lack of imagination and conversational skills. Haha...

~Peace

 

I don't mind people eating meat in front of me...or wearing animal products around me...but it's when the person presses the issue is when I get a little defensive. She went on and on about wearing the fur...you might as well have been waving a steak in front of me and shouting "MOOOOOOOO" She wasn't yelling or shouting...she was going on and on about it in a snobbish voice.

I don't mind being friends with omnis as long as they don't start in on me...I simply asked a question...and my bf wanted a friendly debate...she didn't even HAVE the conversatoin...she said what she said and left...not listening to what anyone else had to say.

Yeah she has a hard time holding conversation, although she is VERY booksmart...she has a hard time listening to people.

 

Yeah, I can understand that kind of frustration. I say, do whatever you want, make your own choices and I won't judge you for it. Like Madcrappie said, the world would be so boring if we were all the same. But boring people who can't even have a conversation about their choices because it makes them uncomfortable... well, it's obviously hard to have respect for them.
This happened to me once, back when I was even still eating meat. I was curious about my friend's (also a meat eater) reasons for eating meat. I had just started doing some investigating, and wanted to know what she thought about things. After I posited a few points, slaughterhouse cruelty etc, she got really uncomfortable and huffy and soon said she was too busy to talk. This happened later when I wanted to talk about other things, like politics and religion, just for curiousity's sake. So I know the feeling of frustration you probably have towards your friend. Some people are just boring.



~Peace

 

I mean, if someone comes up to me and questions my choices,... if I can't give them a decent response or a good defence, the wisest thing for me to do is to say, "I just don't know. It looks like I'll have to do a little research and get back to you!" It's okay to not know... it's how we learn. That's why when we question people, we have to be fair and acknowledge that we may be backing them into a corner.. give them a chance to wave the white flag and escape with some dignity. Lol

 

Hehe, maybe I should have told her that it was OK to say she didn't know. It's an ego thing, maybe.

I just about died when she said she thought it was "cute". *throws head in hands* I bet that cow was cute too.

 

Wish I could stop shaving... but then again I've never liked the fur look.

Peace & love

 

You had a party. One of your friends got into an argument with others of your friends and left.
I don't see any need for you to either decide which side of the argument was right or change any of your friendships.
(Its good to see that some of your friends tried to deflect an unpleasant argument at your birthday party.)

My opinion is that the existance of an argument was more important than the topic of that argument.

 

you are forgetting that no one was kept in their own filth their whole lives, genitally electrocuted, and possibly skinned alive to listen to My Chemical Romance.

if any of my friends disrespected me enough to do that then they are not my friends. WEARING FUR IS INDEFENSIBLE! Nice try, telling people she fed a family of four when she bought it. If she is such a good Samaritan she would not be buying fur in the first place and if she really cared about the starving of the world, she would not eat meat, because the grain could go directly to people who are starving (yes, a bunch of that stuff is political but no one can logically deny the fact that animal eating is inefficient)

I can't believe how people take fur so lightly. It is a horrible and vicious industry, I would say even worse than the meat industry.

 

sounds like you dont really like her anyway so I dont see the problem.

I do think your being a little bit precious though, you cant dictate what others wear to your party, thats a bit full on, maybe she was being a bit ignorant and selfish wearing it there or perhaps she just didnt think about it at all. Shes got the coat now, leaving it in her cupboard wont make any difference. I'm sure she didnt buy it to get at you

 

youre saying she pressed the issue but in your firt post you said that it was your boyfirend who decidded to go on with it, and it was you in the first place who brought up her wearing it.

Reguardless of who did what, it sounds like you've already made your mind up about the situation