A Few Questions For All Trump Supporters.

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  1. Scratched

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    Hahaha!! You should read Facebook comments here in Indiana! You would not believe it nor like it. we are mostly die-hard Trump supporters, and could give a damn about the media rubbish that many elsewhere are brainwashed with. Obviously we are from two different worlds. Somehow I'm guessing many here in the forum wouldn't like us locals very well. Nobody has time for the dumb games that the haters and our American Media bullshit us with. Lol.
     
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  3. Okiefreak

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    It doesn't show.
     
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  5. Okiefreak

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    Yes, you're out of touch with reality.
     
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  7. neonspectraltoast

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    It's like, yee-haw, Trump is completely ridiculous and thus validates our feelings about the rest of society. Which I agree society is ridiculous but that's no excuse for a president like Trump. It's not a joke.
     
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  9. Okiefreak

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    Saudi Arabia is our ally. Allies is plural. Saudi Arabia is singular. They and Israel (not them and Israel) are two allies with which the U.S. needs no enemies. Saudi Arabia is the principal sponsor of Wahabi/Salafi Islam in the world which is the source of much of Sunni-based Islamic terrorism. It is not really tantamount to saying that the U.S. is a terror nation because McVeigh is from here, because the U.S. never sponsored ideological schools that led to McVeigh. The U.S. is getting involved in a religious war between the Sunni and Shiites.
     
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  11. Crystal_Nocked

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    The USA does sponsor ideology that lead to McVeigh.

    Its called democracy.

    McVeigh did OK city as a rage against Ruby Ridge. That's why it was on the same date. Duh.

    McVeigh was also a Christian.

    USA is a Christian nation, last I checked.

    Thus, my analogy stands just fine.

    Thanks, though.

    Hook Em Horns.
     
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  13. Scratched

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    Yes it really is a joke!

    The only reason for the Trump "Witch Hunt" is in hopes of getting him impeached. Big deal, do you think Mike Pence is going to do Hillary-lickers any more favors?
    It's funny after all the years of Obama's shady dealings propping up the rest of the world, including a nuclear Iran, while reducing America's influence in the world, that Democrats can only trash the Donald with talk about collusion with Russia. With Russia's help stability can be closer to reality in the Middle East.
     
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  15. neonspectraltoast

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    We all deserve better than this. I know a lot of people feel disrespected by liberals who treat them like they're idiots and I can hardly blame them for supporting Trump. I myself agree with liberal policies mostly but I think everyone has something to add. Donald Trump is not the answer, though. He does not give a shit what is best for us. We all need to start looking to each other for appreciation before we can even begin to rebuild, we're too torn apart with disrespect. Sorry, but I kind of blame the Republicans for this who couldn't be any more disrespectful. But liberals do not treat the common folk appropriately either.
     
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  17. MeAgain

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    The United States is not a Christian nation, read the Constitution.
     
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  19. NoxiousGas

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    Now, now Okie, be nice, you know the average Trump fanboy has at best a 6th grade education.
     
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  21. Flagme15

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    Y'all shore is ignant
     
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  23. Scratched

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    At least I can spell correctly! [​IMG]
     
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  25. unfocusedanakin

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    Coming from someone I assume is a hardocre Republican this sounds a bit silly. You should practice what you preach.
     
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  27. Crystal_Nocked

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    The United States IS a Christian nation insofar as the fact that it is the most popular religion. By far.

    Also, over half of all American adults call themselves Christian.

    Fully 80% believe in a biblical-type, personal, Christian God.

    I have read the Constitution many times. I minored in Political Science in college. So I am assuming you are referring to the 1st Amendment when you tell me to read it. LOL. But obviously you are the one who needs to brush up on your Poli Sci. All that Amendment says is that the federal Government will never legislate a law which favors one religion over another. Or persecutes a person for adhering to a certain Faith. This is called the "Separation of Church and State" clause.

    But so what? That in no way denigrates the fact the the US IS a Christian country insofar as its dominant religious and moral ideology are concerned. And in my OP this is all that I claimed. that our Nation is instilled with a Christian ideology as much as, say, Saudi Arabia is with an Islamic one. (I will not mention Iran, since it is a Theocracy.)

    Also, if you have ever read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, you would see thw words "God" and "Providence" many times. Same in the Declaration if Independence. Most of the Founding Fathers believed in God and were Christian. They were, however, careful to make sure their fledgling government did not engage into religious oppression and discrimination or favoritism as did their native country of England, and King George,

    The USA is probably THE most religious of the 1st world developed nations. The fact that 80% of Americans believe in Heaven, and a caring God who will listen to their prayers and who watches over them and tracks their sins (really? WTF) can lead one to make no other conclusion. We are by and large a nation of hypocrites.

    I really hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions re the collective ideology and ethos of our Founding Fathers. I'll be glad to help if I have the time.

    Cheers.
     
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  29. MeAgain

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    The United States, contrary to popular belief is not a Democracy. It doesn't matter how many Christians there are or what they believe, we are not governed by populism, we are governed by the Constitution. Unless you wish to disregard the Constitution, which I agree happens an awful lot.


    The word God never appears in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, the word Providence appears once: 'Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.'

    The official name of the State of Rhode Island is "The State of Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations".

    The word God appears in the Declaration of Independence once:
    "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
    The word God refers to nature's God, not a Christian God.
    The word Providence occurs once: —"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

    Now we must remember that the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document. The Constitution is. Religion of any kind is not mentioned in the Declaration, References to a creator, a god, and providence may refer to a deist god, Hindu, Roman, Jewish, or any other type of god.
    There is no basis for saying that the Declaration defines the U.S. as a Christian nation.

    The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
    —John Adams

    The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding....Thomas Jefferson

    “The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
    ~Founding Father James Madison

    “That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forebearance, love, and charity towards each other.”
    ~Founding Father George Mason, Virginia Bill of Rights, 1776

    “No religious doctrine shall be established by law.”
    ~Founding Father Elbridge Gerry, Annals of Congress 1:729-731

    “Knowledge and liberty are so prevalent in this country, that I do not believe that the United States would ever be disposed to establish one religious sect, and lay all others under legal disabilities. But as we know not what may take place hereafter, and any such test would be exceedingly injurious to the rights of free citizens, I cannot think it altogether superfluous to have added a clause, which secures us from the possibility of such oppression.”
    ~Founding Father Oliver Wolcott, Connecticut Ratifying Convention, 9 January 1788

    “Some very worthy persons, who have not had great advantages for information, have objected against that clause in the constitution which provides, that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. They have been afraid that this clause is unfavorable to religion. But my countrymen, the sole purpose and effect of it is to exclude persecution, and to secure to you the important right of religious
    liberty. We are almost the only people in the world, who have a full enjoyment of this important right of human nature. In our country every man has a right to worship God in that way which is most agreeable to his conscience. If he be a good and peaceable person he is liable to no penalties or incapacities on account of his religious sentiments; or in other words, he is not subject to persecution. But in other parts of the world, it has been, and still is, far different. Systems of religious error have been adopted, in times of ignorance. It has been the interest of tyrannical kings, popes, and prelates, to maintain these errors. When the clouds of ignorance began to vanish, and the people grew more enlightened, there was no other way to keep them in error, but to prohibit their altering their religious opinions by severe persecuting laws. In this way persecution became general throughout Europe.”
    ~Founding Father Oliver Ellsworth, Philip B Kurland and Ralph Lerner (eds.), The Founder’s Constitution, University of Chicago Press, 1987, Vol. 4, p.638

    “God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
    ~Founding Father Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773

    “Congress has no power to make any religious establishments.”
    ~Founding Father Roger Sherman, Congress, August 19, 1789

    The American states have gone far in assisting the progress of truth; but they have stopped short of perfection. They ought to have given every honest citizen an equal right to enjoy his religion and an equal title to all civil emoluments, without obliging him to tell his religion. Every interference of the civil power in regulating opinion, is an impious attempt to take the business of the Deity out of his own hands; and every preference given to any religious denomination, is so far slavery and bigotry.”
    ~Founding Father Noah Webster, calling for no religious tests to serve in public office, Sketches of American Policy, 1785

    “The legislature of the United States shall pass no law on the subject of religion.”
    ~Founding Father Charles Pinckney, Constitutional Convention, 1787

    There are more, but I grow weary....
     
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  31. neonspectraltoast

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    It's too bad that Christianity has set the bar for being decent to each other. I can't blame people for disbelieving and it makes good people look like suckers. I think it's having a negative effect as much as a positive one. Have your faith...but trying to claim that there's one guy everyone is infinitely inferior to...and trying to tell people that they should be afraid when they're too noble to be afraid doesn't seem like such a good idea to me. *shrug*

    It baffles me that people think Donald Trump is "draining the swamp" when he's filling it with billionaires. I wonder if these people who think that honestly think they're going to be invited to join the club. No way. You people swallowing this shit are the biggest rejects of us all as far as they are concerned. They wouldn't even give you the time of day. And yet you're sucking their cocks like it's the tastiest thing in the universe.
     
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  33. Crystal_Nocked

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    To me again......I didn't want to paste that time you posted in a response. LOL

    USA is most certainly a democracy. Are you drunk or retarded?

    Yes..it is not a direct democracy....but rather what we call a representational democracy. And...sigh...yes, we are a Republic. And yes we use the electoral system and yes candidates can and do win elections without securing the majority of the popular vote. Everybody knows this and its not hip or cool or especially a sign of political science savvy to claim the USA is not a democracy. Its like the dolts who say dhit like The Civil Wzr wasn't fought over slavery, it was about States rights!

    Yawn. And pfffttht. That's a fart. Those are all old undergrad newbie Chomsky esque soundbites by people who want to argue and show they just read a new revisionist history book. Its also tired and lame.

    So..where was I? Yeah....look up your different forms of government in the world and you'll see that in anybody's book, the united States is a federal republic and a representational democracy.

    I can't believe I even have to argue this.

    Oh...and a Christian nation. Doubt it? How many atheist presidents have we had? How many who admitted their atheism? How many senators? How many governors? How many Americans believe in Jesus and the Christian god? How many potus have ever gone their entire term never invoking God in a speech? Why did so many States have blue laws? Some still do.

    Sorry, charlie...you lose this debate. I've heard it all before.

    And, no...I'm not religious. Far from it, in fact

    LOL

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/?utm_term=.ff2882b9bd8c
     
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  35. Flagme15

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    And dumb ones at that.
     
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  37. Flagme15

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    Actually the Civil War was more about the economic impact if the south seceded.
     
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  39. Okiefreak

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    Let's see if I understand what you're saying. Democracy is an "ideology" similar to radical Islam, and because McVeigh lived here the United States was sponsoring him? Or because he was a Christian and the United States is supposedly a "Christian nation"(apparently meaning that the majority of our population is Christian) the United States was sponsoring him? That makes no sense at all. With every post, you reveal greater depths of your ignorance. You should quit while you're ahead. You're just confirming the stereotypes about Trump supporters. I'm beginning to think the movie Idiocracy was prophetic. In a decade or so, people will be watering their lawns with gatorade.
     
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