A moneyless society, is it possible?

Isn't that just theory too?

I don't believe in material scarcity, I think it is all just one big scam to support the capitalistic system.

 

Yes, I already said that what I believe is equally a theory. I simply feel there is more evidence to support the abiotic theory vs. the peak oil theory. That's my opinion.

 

ok, then I concur

 

My point, pressed rat, is don't believe everything you read. Especially on the internet. Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true.

Nothing in that article convinced me of your position, mainly because I am studying geology and know a little something about oil and how it is formed. That article was a bunch of b.s disguised as fact. Study geology before you believe everything you read...

Peace & love

 

Just because it's on a book doesn't make it true. No difference.

 

I know that fuels are finite, because their sources are finite; even if fuels were renewable, some of their sources may not be, also factor in demand.

Hydrogen cells are probably the best alternative, but oil barons who work alongside the gov't have not let the technology hit the mainstream.

 

argh, where's the delete function

 

It's not just on the internet. It's something that can be supported by scientists and geologists alike.

 

I believe - as well as those who support the abiotic theory - that oil is created deep within the earth by a combination of rocks and pressure. Based on what I've read, I give little creedence to the fossil/decaying plant matter theory.

 

Your labour is you access to services and goods not paper. Labour is what creates money, and money is theft.

"Money is a barren Thing, and produces nothing, but by Compact, transfers that Profit, that was the Reward of one Man's Labour, into another Man's Pocket." John Locke

 

That is true, Inquiring mind.

peace and love

 

Adam Smith, thought capitalism/free-market will bring about equality/equity because it will lead to wide ownership. People had ownership, of their fruits of labour, but with the rise of modern capitalism the fruits of labour do not belong to the worker anymore they belong to the owner of production(capital holders). The worker is compensated for his labour not given the full value.

Capitalism, in practice it lead to the consolidation of wealth, consumerism and rise of corporatism. Everyone cannot own productive capital, so labour become a commodity.

All in all capitalists are basically leeches that live on the fruits of labour. They maintain their power through property rights, and the government.

His goal was a fair system, not an exploitable or oppressive one.

Adam smith's envisioned everyone to become a capitalist/producer/owner. A person who earns their living through owning property not selling their labour power. But, with the centralization of modern production it is impossible. For true, capitalism to work everyone has to be an owner of productive capital and production has to be decentralized and this is impossible with large populations and modern societies.

 

I was suggesting it DOES NOT.. most of these pages within this thread are based on how politics has fueled the proliferation of money..or at least political models either impinge or inflame its use.. I don't think so..

Or if we managed to figure out how to get something for nothing [fuel].. we would all be able to live some idealised life free of exploitation etc etc .another fallacy..

Imho we have just added theory after theory on top of each other..

I'm just glad i live in a welfare stae... oh bollocks: politics