A perspective on why man must not sleep with man and why God hates that

The trouble is you are never going to say out loud the real reason you think homosexuality is harmful, you are just going to hide behind "gay is icky" or the spread of STI's, neither of which is what is really pissing you off.

As long as you keep up with that tactic, younger people are really never going to understand what you are on about.

 

Why don't you spell it out for us. I would be interested to hear what the "real reason I think homosexuality is harmful" is.

 

That we are the gatekeepers of the ultimate secret in regards to the girls.
We dont ever say it out loud because we are on their side.

Society kind of functions on keeping the majority of guys clueless for as long as possible, and the girls are far better off.

Some of you dont work it out till you are a lot older, and stop thinking so much with your dicks, then get bitter and cranky becuase you didnt work out till after 60 what we worked out at 6, then get pissy with us cos we knew all along and didnt tell you

You cant fool us, just like you could never fool the girls all along

 

Oh, yeah, you sure got me on that one.

 

Well, thats my answer, perhaps not you, I dont know you, but with a lot hiding behind the facade of a strict moral code, we can see through their bullshit

 

I was merely posing questions.
None of which you decided to answer by the way, but that's cool.
You just keep on keepin on with whatever you're keepin on with.

 

And a good answer it is, it's just not me. Personally I don't believe that the Bible has a "strict moral code", although it does seem to say that we shouldn't engage in homosexual acts.

 

Thanks, I didn't notice that you had asked me any questions about the topic at hand, I must have missed them. Would you mind repeating them so I can answer them now?

 

"Mankind doesn't have the best track record on knowing what is harmful and what is not."

The bible is not entirely consistent in its teachings on many issues either.

 

Many have said this but it's not very true.

 

Well if we really try hard enough we can find consistency in anything such as we all do for the world around or as others do for holy books or the complete works of Karl Marx.

 

A person can make almost anything seem inconsistent if they try hard enough but just because that person then says look inconsistencies, that does not mean what he's saying is true.

 

Well that was more the cryptic PC answer, you know most of the real answers I cant say out loud, cos its very mean, and most dont have a clue until they become parents or get older

Which is why this whole argument is just a circular battle of double meanings, neither side can ever say in public what its really all about

 

You know this works both ways, right? In another thread you have as much as told someone that their interpretation of a passage is wrong (i.e. you quoted someone else who said that). You have then given one of your own which does not appear to derive from any semantic detail that the other person's interpretation deliberately ignored or failed to notice. Yes, your interpretation is less jarring with our conventional understanding of the Christian message, but it is nevertheless still an interpretation of a passage which at best is semantically ambiguous (in my view, it is fairly unambiguous, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of a doubt for the sake of argument).

In other words, you are saying "look, consistencies!", but it does not mean that what you are saying is true. It is at best a matter of opinion.

 

Why can't you say it? It's not like the use of veiled references and innuendo is "keeping the peace" particularly, is it.

 

I don't know else to to say it, I keep telling you that I don't expect anyone to believe what I say or that I'm correct in every thing I say, now I may believe that I'm but when all is said and done it is still only my opinion and if I say something, no one should just take my word for it, especially regarding the Bible. Everyone should look it up for themselves. The Bible says at Acts 17:11, talking about the Beroeans; "Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni′ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so." So if the Beroeans were commended for checking out what the Apostles told them, how much more should someone check out what I say?

 

In part because it has to do with perspective.....


I'll give you an example, when you hear an older church leader say something like

"gay is anti family"

A) To non religous straight people that havent had kids yet, and certain types of gay people, they will think that means that gay people are less likely to breed and bother raising kids, and thats what he means by gay is anti family

B) To religous straight people who havent had kids yet, they will think it means its going to bring dishonour on the family.

C) To other types of gay people that had to deal with being introduced to sex acts early on by amongst others; brothers, sisters,cousins etc. They are going to think he means "gay is anti family" in that if they go around telling people, thats going to put them off starting a family, or stressing more about raising kids, or make them think twice about having too many kids

D) Only parents of gay kids know the extra stresses put on family life raising an androgynous child, so they are going to think "gay is anti family" is all about the extra stress, stress BTW from everyone else bullshit

E) Then there is stuff pretty much all parents have to deal with that is never talked about, stuff they have to train their kids out of when they are little (Its top secret), the rest of the parents are going to think thats what he's talking about (hint:you wont really get why some people think everyones starts out bi until you pay close attention to how 3 yr olds play together)

F) Then there is gaydar, only really effeminate teen guy sees just how big a percentage of older married gents are looking at him in a certain way, that they shouldnt if they were "100% straight". So guys like that think that church leader is talking about what they can see.



So basically there's at least half a dozen different interpretations, about what that church leader has said, a church leader BTW which no one is every really going to be 100% sure isnt gay or bi or straight himself and playing his congregation all the time in the first place anyway, or just saying that cos he feels thats what church leaders do.

So its all just too friggin complicated anyway, just like politics, layers upon layers and no one arguing is aware of all the layers.

I've got a headache

 

You forgot;
G) The Bible doesn't say that, the Guy's an idiot and he should be removed from a position of authority for saying anything so stupid.