A Simple Fact

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  1. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    I think you're on the right track.
    In the Gita, Krishna tells Arjuna to carry out actions which would normally be thought of as bad - killing his relatives in a war. But Krishna says that if such actions are carried out by one in the yogic consciousness, they have no karmic result, good or bad. Because the divine is above good and evil.

    As for creating 'good'. It would depend how you define it. Some would say that the only good we can do in this world is what you suggest - try to create conditions where realization becomes easier or more accessible to more people. That seems to me to be the essence of the Buddhist Mahayana approach.

    Perhaps we need to redefine our terms - because if doing 'bad' leads to God, then perhaps it isn't bad actually, but good.

    When you say doing bad may lead to God, what kind of bad do you mean? Could you give an example?
     
  2. Bhaskar

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    An example may be Ravana in the Ramayana, who kidnapped Rama's wife Sita. When his advisors told him that Rama is an incarnation of God and that he should return Sita and worship Rama, he refused, saying, "If Rama is truly God, let him come and fight me and kill me in battle. Blessed by dying at his hand I will attain liberation. But I cannot brin my mind to worship him."
    Thus kidnapping Sita and bullying the rishis became his path to God. And indeed Rama killed him and he was liberated. In fact all the demons who are killed by incarnations of God, in our puranas, are given liberation.
     
  3. Bhaskar

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    That is not because of the sun. it is the activity of man that has depleted our ozone layer, diminished our water supplies and created conditions for such things to happen.
    The wise warm themselves at a fire and the fool burns himself.
     
  4. neodude1212

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    It is certainly still because of the sun, because those things would not happen without the sun.
    If it cannot be the sun's fault for being perceived as bad, then how can it be the sun's fault for being perceived as good?
     
  5. BlackBillBlake

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    But people only exist in the first place because the sun exists. All the matter in our bodies came from the sun.
     
  6. neodude1212

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    So the sun giveth, and the sun taketh away.
    I was simply pointing out that nothing is inherently "good" or "evil". It is all just how we perceive it.
     
  7. BlackBillBlake

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    sunglasses might do it -
     
  8. neodude1212

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    Then you'll have that ridiculous owl-tanline across your eyes.
     
  9. Bhaskar

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    Any analogy taken beyond its limit breaks down.
     
  10. Jedi

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    Ah if it is a simple fact, why even discuss it? :D
     
  11. neodude1212

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    Although I feel that anything said about said analogy still applies to what you were alluding to.
     
  12. SvgGrdnBeauty

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    hahaha i love you Jedi! :)
     
  13. Bhaskar

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    Actually it does not at all. My original analogy was of the spiritual master being like the sun, in that the sun makes no special effort, but spreads light and warmth everywhere by its very nature, by its very presence.

    How that can be extended through drought and skin cancer to sunglasses and tan lines I don't quite understand.
     
  14. gdkumar

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    Hare Krishna!

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  15. Tsurugi_Oni

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    Tough love can be seen as "bad", but be "good". Blessing's in disguise.

    If you ask me, good/bad is mostly about positive thinking. It's like the enormous different types of energy waves, except we only see a limited portion.
     
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    Out of suffering comes life. Think of the pains of child birth and in the end a baby.
     
  17. BlackBillBlake

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    You could as easily say out of joy. I assume there might be some pleasure associated with conception.......
     
  18. Bhaskar

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    Life does not come out of suffering or joy. All things come out of life...
     
  19. BlackBillBlake

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    And what does life come out of?
     
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    The void which is the future. Life = the void+intent+physical right NOW.
     

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