A woman's place is in the home...

LOL OK Ruski

 

It is the girls obligation to swallow all the mans sperm after a blow job.

Every damn bit of it and like it.

 

Whenever I feel generous I tell my girlfriend she can go spit.

I didn't read the whole thread, but I am essentially in agreement with the OP. That's not to say the woman must stay at home, my girlfriend works twelve hours a day and she still comes home and cooks for me without fail. I don't need to work like that, because I did previously and saved up enough that I can pretty much bum about and do nothing (I do work, though, 'cept I don't really consider it work)

Income isn't important, having the resourcefulness to provide for your woman and family is what matters. Covering their needs, emotional and physical, and providing a safe environment, is the man's job from a biological perspective. I do believe the man should be heavily involved with raising children, however, as children appear to listen more to men (men in general are perceived as more authoritative), and also because I love teaching so I can't imagine not teaching my kids thoroughly.

Of course, biological and traditional perspectives don't really apply in modern society, which is a bit sad. We're so detached from our natural state that we deny the natural order. The OP would certainly be considered sexist, chauvinistic, and possibly a range of other adjectives, probably because people see it as implying that females are worth less than males, when this couldn't be farther from the truth. Men and women are equally important, and the roles we play are equally important, neither is better than the other, and without both a nurturing mother and a caring father we would be highly dysfunctional (as is evident from modern society where, for example, some parents appear to distance themselves from their parental obligations as much as possible)

 

Believe what works for you...

But this dichotomy between society and nature is such a wanker move...as if anything could be outside of nature! As if society wasn't a force of nature!

Haha. People who try to justify gender roles on moral grounds are naively hypocritical. One can only imagine what contradictory forces go into their rationalizations for male dominance.

Perhaps, it's a lack of faith in their own dominance, which prompts these little comic book renditions of nature.

Perhaps they need to seek validation for male dominance in religious thought, because they can't face the reality that male dominance arises out of none other than cruelty, subjugation, oppression, manipulation, and ownership of the means of production.

Even the fact that the average male body is physically stronger than the average woman's could have been different if female diets hadn't been historically inferior to men's on the latter's command.

Not to mention the fact that procreation is just as natural as the refusal to procreate. And homoerotic drives just as natural as heterosexual ones. Women play a role in their own oppression today, as do all groups who are oppressed for a long time.

They be in some kind of biological decadence, as if wishing themselves away. Just like human beings wish themselves away sometimes, along with other species.

Just like individuals wish themselves away through suicide. Just because your oppression of women would not have been possible without their help, does not take away from your power. Maybe the contrary!

Women are at a juncture where they could mate with total unemployed wankers, with feeble bodies and subjugate them. The bourgeois mode of production is totally feminized. People earn their survival through manipulation and a showing of teeth; no longer hard productive labor.

And yet, the vast majority of women still choose to procreate, earn less, and be physically weaker than their mating partners. Natural, you say! Yes, but not because nature has some perpetual order. Shit, human beings are just a little spec of dust within vertiginous timelessness, and, like any other species, carry the seeds of their own self-destruction and will wish themselves away sooner than later. Man is something to be overcome. And therefore, doing away with natural orders is also natural.

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Women choose to be inferior because...

Manipulation is as strong as subjugation. Look at all the least complex, smallest, slithering organisms in nature and you will see how successful simply scurrying about is, from an evolutionary perspective.

In fact, more successful than snarling dinosaurs. The strongest are also the weakest in critical material junctures. Maybe not as individuals, but as groups. Being bigger and more complex also means you die first. If, for no other reason than you become an individual, a freak, unfit for group life. And sooner or later the group turns on the individual...

Much like men die more than women. There's no natural god commanding men in their subjugation of women. It is something that happens in spite of nature, just as much as because of it.

If that troubles your consciousness, then perhaps you aren't one of the strongest specimens of men who actually got you here, in the first place. Or, maybe you are...and use a Machiavellian mask of piety that is so convincing that even your consciousness cannot bear it, and hides away in the darkest recesses of your subconscious mind. Of your "nature"!

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So, maybe an inferior female is unnatural. Maybe we're resisting an inevitable turning of human beings into ants...wherein females are dominant. Maybe that will spell the doom of the homo species, and will render us anachronistic in the struggle for survival vs. other species...like, dinos. Like, suicidal scorpions...

 

Finally the full dogma of cherea’s argument :cheers2:


We all have a role to play; some of us follow the script and others choose to improvise


Hotwater

 

Irrelevant stereotypes in today's world.

Men are just as nurturing, caring, loving and able to multi-task just as much as women are.

 

I'm in my place right now. At home, barefoot and pregnant.

 

Okay, hot stuff. You're right. Now let's go get married so you can take care of me. Can you make it to the courthouse in 45 minutes?

 

I suspect a great deal would depend on how you look – are you hot, not, or just average?


H

 

That all depends. Are you a beautiful girl with a brain?

Lets see 45 minetes, I suppose I could have a copter pick me up.

Wouldn't it be more interesting getting married somewhere else? Paris or Rome perhaps?

By the way that blow job statement is in the Prenuptial.

 

THANK YOU.

And yet, gender roles (and our apparent inability to defy them) have to do with class structure. Women make their living in the diametrically opposite way as men have, historically.

 

I'm totally with you on this. Just take a look at the toy section in a department store and one can witness this bizarre phenomenon : Row upon rows of pink packaging targeting girls and dark blue cardboard for the boys. There's actually a boys and girls section for the kind of toys and games babies and children are given.

Ever see the film ''A Girl Like Me''? Prime example of the embedded societal underclass lesson being learned by children :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqSFqnUFOns"]YouTube- Black or White something to think about

All people are born free, but everywhere they are in chains. Class structure is so prevalent and pervasive that it's blinding - like a smoke screen hazing around our insight. We need to step behind the veil of ignorance and see our societal structure for what is, for any child can be born a man, a woman, a cripple, a black, a white, a Hindu, a Muslim, a Christian. Why would we enslave them knowing that it is not their will to be marginalized at birth ??

It's madness.

Saying that one gender has a role to play that is linked to socio-economic-capitalist ideals is immoral and unjust.

We are born free of poverty, class, religion, gender roles as we know nothing of those things until we grow up into them. That's what Ruski was saying. Those things are all constructed by our silly ideas. We are all born free.

 

The same test was given to a group of school children in Kenya and 97% of them choose the Black doll over the white; when asked which was good they proceeded to cook the white doll


Hotwater

 

Um...

Cook it? As in...really make soup out of it?

But the fact that in Kenya Black children chose the Black doll definitely puts the test on some fairly firm ground. Not that it needed that, but...

Problem is, people want to say that the man/woman division is -different-. That it has a more -real- biological basis. Yet they continue to use all the same logic, all the same arguments, that get used to justify racial prejudice. In some cases, the exact same arguments. It's maddening.

 

Just kidding - call it a humorous interlude


H

 

That's the consumption side. What I feel is most important, and not as analyzed in the media for obvious reasons, is the production side. Earn a living by manipulating your sexuality, as in say, women in sales or bartending...

It does much more to create a fractal, gendered mindset than having things available on the market which confirm it. It's your survival, after all.

 

uh well, the funny thing is that in europe, as far back as records go in my country, about 47 % of all women have been wokring and NOT sitting at home - mind you, that means at least a period of 400 years.

it is an illusion to think that at any point of the history men "provided" for their women... the only social classes where this is and was ever possible were the upper earning classes - rich people to say it blunt. its interesting that our fiew was shpaed by the lifestyle of a minority of people and not by the majority.

 

Although I think I may agree with what you are trying to get at, I don't think your example makes much sense... Both men and women work in sales and bartending and both manipulate their appearance to do so....

 

Unfortunately this isn't true globally... The US for example, started pushing the whole woman as homemaker and man as breadwinner back in the 50's. In any of their propaganda films and clips during that time, they always show the woman at home in the kitchen (usually wearing an apron), pretty much just waiting for the man to come home to serve him. That general attitude spread along with the other american views across the world.

The fact that there are some places (like where you are) that didn't fall into it is awesome, but it isn't the rule...

 

I knew that was going to come up. Make a better example then, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Sexual innuendo is an absolute must for most women's survival...is all I'm saying.

Are there male strippers and whatever else? Sure. But most men do not need to make objects of desire out of their bodies to earn a salary (or, marry).

And with that, goes a different gender (class) consciousness.