abbie hoffman

Hey Void...just sent you a Pm...

 

Don't know if Mary is going to call names...

And I won't...

This is for everyone...
If you question your posts then read the Garden guidlines and check yourself.
Mary is right, there are numerous forums here to be political, be a hot head (although you do have to be careful with that)...be sexual, or share a recipe.
Please read what the Garden is about, and make sure you really want to be here.
And if you really don't ...then don't fuck it up for the rest of us....K???

There's far more than enough everyday bullshit going on out there in the so called Real world and this place can and should be a nice groovy kind a place to come in and know that you won't have to defend how you feel, and you will have a nice soft place to kick back and talk about the old times and share what you have. Maybe have a laugh or learn a thing or two.

Yeah I know...I should go drink a cup of warm milk...hahahah.

 

Yes, how right you are...we love it.

 

heheh, this man speaks a lot of truth

now for super ethical eating, try the unsweetened kind. its not real vanilla in the vanilla if you didnt notice, real vanilla prices went up 600% recently for reasons unknown to me. mostly sugar, from the wonderful sugar industries who addict and unbalance our beings unknowingly and lobby and pay our government fat wads of money to oversugar us in almost everything we eat.

another one that youll find in damn near everything you eat because the government is paid to allow it, is (more often than not, genetically modified) high fructose corn syrup. from apple sauce, to ketchup, to bread, your sure to find this vibration of corruption alllll over typical grocery stores, and even in some products in health food stores, namely tofutti products and some others im sure. guess it sorda sucks watchin out for it, but i dont mind the extra hunt+sacrafice for the extra organic earthy goodness.

people who worry about missing certain foods go hand in hand with the people who worry about their lawns imo...people on budgets i can understand, but conscious consuming is a very good thing to try to turn onto. it isnt that much more if your conscious of how to shop smart with common sense either. more often than not, budget is just an excuse people use to stick with their conditioned conventional habits.

open your mind, try something new, and drink some ethical, ecological, healthier, AND tastier/morenjoyable soymilk. its in every conventional grocery store if you take 2 seconds to look, and if ya dont like it, its like 3 bucks, not too big of a loss? always start with vanilla or chocolate is my advice : ) youll be glad you did, i promise.

now if we could just turn teepi onto soysauge(lol), we'd be set....or at least get her off the conventional cattle(and pigs), theyre the hardest on the environment..thats not askin too much is it? its second only to automobiles in terms of environmental destruction...

 

actually we usually make our own soymilk.
Larry is borderline diabetic and we stay away from alot of sugar.
However when we go to the big city it is usually an all day trip and to ward off the hungries I usually pack something to at and we pick up a half gallon of the silk for a treat.

We also eat very little meat.
I will buy some and use a hand full here and there to season food. We don't eat beef.
The chicken we eat comes from a local who raises them,sells eggs and dressed chickens, They are free range.

I also make my own bean burgers. Just too much crap in them stores anymore so if I can grow it or make it myself all the better.

I use ALOT of applesauce...make my own if I can get good apples locally...we have got them from the Amish here.
If I do buy it I buy the unsweetened...why in the world would you ever ADD sugar to applesauce.
I use alot because when I bake I replace any oil with applesauce. The pectin is a great fat replacer.
Can't sub it for pie crust but its fine in brownies,cakes and quick breads.

How wonderful of you to be concerned with my health.
You are very sweet.

 

No need to call names, I'm sure mine's on the list...Hey, I just like to provoke a little thought, I don't mean to offend anyone...but I really respect people who piss me off, provided I can rationalize their point of view...

I hope my soulmate-lover-earth-mother will chime in soon, Shameless would love her (and don't ask how she puts up with me), she's drawn to the artistic aspect...

Y'all be well now!

Smoke a fattie for me, I'll be smokin' one for you....

Love ya,
Mark

I really dig Joni's rendition of the song, her voice is so sweet, "and we got to get ourselves back to the garden"...

 

Voided your cool dude,Love ya.. I haven't got the time to address everything right now, but Teepi I loves ya woman. Carol I hope you recover soon I loves ya too. Thudly, well your thud n we loves ya also. Mellow keep on keepin' on dude. Gdmom, lovely to see you gal (((hugs))). I know I missed a couple but like I said I don't have time, so I'm giving you all a Big Grope Hug.. heh heh..
Brightest Blesssings
sah

 

BUSY time of year here too Mary...
Hope all is going well there.

Thanks for the big GROPE hug...hahahhaa

Love you too....BIG time.

 

High fructose corn syrup, now that's bad news! I always avoid it if at all possible, and I try to go for unrefined sugar and sweeteners in more natural forms like honey.

Soy milk is good, it works great as a creamer for tea. Tofu's good too, and if you freeze it it takes on the consistency of meat, and you can add it to spaghetti sauce, soup, etc., or do the stir fry thing.

We also raise chickens, free range, and we produce our own organic eggs for breakfast every day. When the chickens get older, we eat them. We tried raising meat birds once that turned out to be mutants, never again. They were too scary, and unnatural. It's hard to believe these are the same chickens they sell in the supermarkets, except that ours were treated far more humanely.

 

Very cool Mellow Yellow! I love to see hippies turned onto the good karma friendly food that nourishes not only the Earth and it's life, but ourselves and tastebuds too. Its a shame many are so touchy and closed-minded about food, when it truly takes very little effort or sacrafice to eat better and more ethically.

What is the difference between a meat bird and a chicken?

I don't have much of a problem with you raising your own chickens, its the factory farms that REALLY bother me. The only problem I have with organic meat farms is that, the animals are raised for death. Sure their not fed chicken shit and pesticide filled food, and not injected with antibiotics, and they dont live in cages in buildings, but their life is still not truly respected I dont think. Their raised to get the organic label on their food, and killed when profitable often. Their not killed when its THEIR time to go, but when we say it is, and that is the problem I have with MOST of them.

Plus I just dont believe humans are SUPPOSED to consume animal products, and they mess with your spirit and energy. That also goes for a lot of processed vegan food which I eat a lot of too. If youve ever done a fast or raw veganism stints you probably know what I mean. I will admit though, I'm also guilty to baking with organic free range eggs from time to time. But afaik, eggs are simply a way of recycling and hens lay many more than necessary. Read something very interesting in the gardening forum, a foraging thread, that agriculture was the downfall of man. He stopped eating what nature intended, lost variety in his diet, and lost the vital life force that a TRUELY natural diet gave him. I have a very strong feeling there is some truth to this, especially after reading Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.

I agree, soymilk is delicious when added to tea, or just plain. I like to mix real organic maple syrup in mine sometimes for a real treat, heavenly mix...

I've heard bad things about some honey raisers, and I definatley believe bees have some sentience to them. But I'm not completley against, Daniel Quinn did it for a long time and I have a great respect for that mans spirit and anything he did. He said every bee was an individual with different personality aspects, and every hive was also a larger collective unique individual.

I know its only inevitable things are hurt so that I can survive buying things from the store... even though I try to do the best I can and shop as ethically and consciously as possible(which truly is NOT that hard if you just set out a tiny bit of good intention), I know the Earth and some of its life still takes a punch one way or another. So I just say a prayer of thanks for the sustainence they give, and try to be a worthy recipient and make my life count. Hope you all do the same : )

 

It's difficult to always be ethical about eating, but I do my best...

Meat birds are chickens that have been genetically manipulated over generations to produce the maximum amount of meat, and they're the ones they sell for meat in the supermarkets. They're these huge mutant things that thump the ground when they run, pretty grotesque really. Furthermore, it's obvious that the natural selection process wouldn't have selected them because they're really stupid (a tasty treat for predators), and they grow so fast many of them die from heart failure prior to maturity. We were unable to continue to raise them because they seemed miserable, and we didn't want to be responsible for that.

We treat our chickens as we do our pets, we keep them nourished and in a clean environment, and I think they live a good life. Though I do eat meat, I think of the karma thing like the Jewish tradition of eating kosher foods. If the chicken or whatever you eat lives a miserable life, has been abused, or has been butchered in an unthinkable way (like they do for the supermarkets), that bad karma is passed on to you.

Some more food for thought (no pun intended)...I've heard a theory that our teeth and digestive tract are such that humans were meant to be herbivors, I'm not sure if that's true or not, but it's interesting nonetheless...

 

I've heard the herbivore argument as well from an old hippy landscaper I know(who isnt even a 100% veggie), and seen it argued by Peta people countless times. Wouldnt surprise me a single bit if there were truth to it... I know from my personal experience though, that meat is not good for your spirit...

I always thought it was growth hormones that made chickens that big, and caused them to not be able to walk and sometimes die early of heart failure. Maybe you bought birds with the mones injected already and got the info confused? Or its possible both methods are practiced, either way its pretty evil and very very unfortunate.

Thats also a Buddhist thing I believe. In ram dass' book be here now, he says the vibration of your food is passed onto you, regardless of animal origin or not. If it was grown with love, that love nourishes you all the more. He says its also important to bless your food and say mantras preparing it to purify it all the more, but thats not really my trip. I feel plenty pure just abstaining from processed food and eating an organic raw vegan diet, with prayer or not. I think I read in The celestine prophecy too, that food grown with love where people spent lots of time with plants and showed them lots of attention and gratefulness, their nutrition levels rised. Im not sure how scientific it was, but im sure theres some truth to this somehow. Another good reason to grow your own organic food.

It truly isnt that hard to be an ethical eater I dont think. Or at least cut out a LARGE majority of bad vibed bad earthed things in your diet. Enjoyin your posts though man, be good.

 

abbie was a jerk i knew him, by the way arron and me are friends we go way back, i was with abbie and jerry in chicago i saw the ny bullshit they pulled there, ripping off hippies at the convention in 68
abbie and jerry were no heros they were ny street hippies, just ny street hippies, doing there hustle to live

 

Voided - your post reminds me of something Jerry Garcia once wrote... "Everything you know is wrong, but thats still the way it is." Man made concepts, of course, everything is... language and human drama rule our lives...Regardless of our incapability to objectively percieve truth in a truly accurate way and capture moments, we can still trust these judgments...

I dont think theres anything wrong with thinking about what is right and what is wrong...oh the irony in that statement. If more people considered the way they conducted themselves, the world would be a lot better off. People sayin fuck the system and livin without fear would probly make the world a lot better too, but isnt that deciding ultimatley somethins not right???

And doesnt growing into something bigger and better include peace and love? Just doing or saying what one feels like and is desirous of, and more than likely fuckin up, seems like the hard way of learnin things and lettin karma kick your ass eventually...Once has to put consideration and compassion into ones actions, you reap what you sow and it all comes back through interconnection, I have no doubt. See and feel it happen all the time, to the point where I just CANT deny it...

I'm all for sayin fuck the world, and I definatley share that similar mind model with people like George Carlin, Bill Maher, you, etc... but I think all these people are deeply compassionate at their core and occasionally their lucky enough to let that part of them surface...and I think ultimatley they want to lead as compassionate lives as possible because they know thats their true nature. Ever see George Carlins 40 year special? Hes actually a really kind soft person, even though hes all about trashing people and this world in his routines...

 

And this is why I moved to the woods and do everything we possibly can for ourselves.
I help where I can, but I have very little to do with society as a whole.
This country is rotting from the inside out as it is from the outside in.

The less you have to do with the public as a whole, the goverment and all authority...the better.

Doom monger??? Nope. Realist??? YEP.

And whatever you do...DON'T touch any door knobs!!!

 

Have some faith.Sure it's a fucked up world,but it's a beautiful place if you let it.

 

dont buy into the crap that abbie hoffmam & jerry rubin were heros, they were fun lovein ny hippie jerks, out to rip off any and all hippie that they could, thats the real abbie and jerry, not 2 nice guys ny street hippies, big difference
peace
white rabbitt

 

Oh Gate,

I have plenty of faith....haven't eaten any bullets yet.
my faith in the planet in its natural state, mother nature and people who respect each others space in very intact.

I've lived in NYC, LA , DC,Norfolk and many smaller places.
Thumbed across this country twice.
Lived at Earth Peoples Park and in a car.
Lived in foster homes,reform schools and a fancy ass boarding school.
Been kidnapped.
And I've been in a mental hospital.

Worked as a dancer, a gardener, a photo processor, in restaurants,as a pharmacy tech, an advertising exec., and put lead in eyebrow pencils,plus numerous other jobs.

I've known crazy people, mean people,criminals, wonderful people,celebrities,musicians,pimps,sailors, holy people, and the ones your mother warned you about......

So after all that....the bestest place for me????.....the woods.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

 

Sounds like white rabbit knows his shit-- I said the same thing about 15 pages or so ago.


The next goddamn thing I'll read is that Jane Fonda was a "hero".

They should've arrested her for treason.

 

Now you're talkin', Scarlit, it's the karma of the food you eat that becomes one with your karma. I've also read about what you speak of regarding Buddhist rituals and eating, and while I'm with you that it's a little over the top to engage in thes rituals, I had an Eastern Medican man (accupuncturist/herbalist) tell me years ago that the ritual of eating is in itself nearly as important as the food you eat. If you're stressed and on the run like so many people in this country, your body won't assimilate it into your body in a positive way like it will if you're in a quiet meditative state while eating.

To set the record straight about our experiment raising meat chickens, it's not just growth hormones, they are actually a different breed of chicken than the egg layers, we fed them the same food we feed our egg chickens (not the medicated stuff with antibiotics and/or growth hormones the corporations feed theirs), and they grew a lot slower than they might've, but they were still awful.

I think anyone who's tried organic food (I'm sure that includes all present) knows you just feel better all around than subsisting off that processed crap they sell at the supermarket (and I'll spare you my rant about GMO's, and the horrible corporations like Monsanto that have destroyed agriculture as we know it, I'm sure you can relate).

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...But, I digress...what was the topic of this thread again? Oh yeah...

I think I'm with teepi on the idea isolating myself from the main stream, living in the woods, and letting the empire crumble of it's own immense bloated weight...I can feel it happening already...and the further you are from it, the better off you are.

It really sucks the futility in attempting to affect change, it's not the same world it was in Abbie Hoffman's day, it seemed like then it was actually possible for one man to affect large-scale change through civil disobedience, not so easy now. But I haven't lost hope...

A few years ago Pfizer was gonna build a big research facility in our back yard, atop the highest point for miles no less, so any waste that might've been discharged would contaminate an immense watershed. Of course, no one in our community wanted it there, but the corporates with their big fancy houses elsewhere sure did. A friend of mine made this his personal project, worked on it full time for months on end without pay, was destitute and practically homeless for the duration as a result. But he was savvy about the law, zoning, etc., so he finally made it so difficult for these people that they just backed out. Big victory for us, but if it hadn't been for him, they would've just bulldozed it through, since the law can only be upheld if there's a watchdog there to do it...