Abortion, (esp live birth abortions..)

I hate to say this because it defeats everything I've said but we are all victims of divide and conquer. The people who run this world make sure we fight amongst ourselves so we don't look eachother in the eyes in trust, we look in deceit. That way we never unite to serve our own needs instead of working for 1/8 of our worth, paying taxes and being subservient slaves to a bunch of sellouts.

Essentially, we'll never unite to stand up to our oppressors because we're too busy fighting about babies, drugs, Obama, etc. We've fallen into their trap, it's hard to admit it and at first I thought it was disgusting to have to say I'm a slave no matter what, but it has to be done. We are free individuals being suppressed by the few.

 

And why did you not?

 

I didn't purposely cum inside her. But she was the one who told me not to use a condom. But I'm just hurt that she killed my potential child, I feel like, really the child belongs to both the parents. But legally the fetus doesn't, and I really don't feel like it's right.

 

Aaaand here comes the breakdown. Haha. Clearly ignored my own anecdote, too. That's a typical way to continue arguing disproven points though for sure. You should go chill out. Have a beer and maybe a few valium. Hope you feel better.

 

Because you need to have a hot topic term to push peoples buttons.

There ya go.

Another "Hip" um... discussion.

 

Oh she absolutely did. Not soon enough to take the abortion pill (the actual abortion pill, not what ignorant people call the plan b pills). Previously, though, she was extremely pro-life. I remember when I was a kid and I found all these crazy protesting signs stuffed in her closet. But when she actually had herself in that situation, she changed her tune. Her guilt was very short-lived too, and mostly due to the fact that she felt like she'd been blinded in regards to that part of her identity, not because of the abortion itself.

She'd been on the pill for a little while. It should've been effective to its full potential. But yeah spermicide alone has a whopping fucking 29% failure rate holy shit why would anyone ONLY use that to prevent rugrats.

 

You are seriously a weak individual if you just sat there like a damn dog and did what she told you to do knowing full well the consequences of such an irresponsible choice. Grow some balls.

 

As I said, why does the rights of a grown person supercede those of an incomplete person? And I'll say it again to prevent further confusion. Think of it in basics, not complex situations. First basics then complex. If life is life and all life is precious then why does one have to pay for a bad decision? I do know the statistics. I'm a Christian but I worship God not money or my preacher. So I'm aware of the world not only through the eyes of "some white Christian" but through those of a human. Life is precious, I'm morally opposed to murder. And as I stated above, divide and conquer, keep 'em fighting, keep 'em in line.

 

So is that real? Or hypothetical?

Ya, that is messed up. Seriously, sorry to hear that.

So lets see, she told you not to wear a sleeve?
Hmm. So, when they start chopping off the balls of guys that ditch their responsibility, maybe an unborn child will belong to both parties.

I still don't get why it is so many people like to paint issues like this as all or nothing, either/or.

Is it that women need to do as they're told, until the man telling her abdicates his half of the responsibility? With freedom and rights come responsibilities. Particularly personal responsibility with the people in their personal lives.

 

Reality check: No birth control method is 100% effective, even under the best conditions. Any doctor will tell you that.

 

And in addition, all women are the same. Stupid and lazy.
Apparently.

 

SunDweller, do you think your opinion would be different if you were not a Christian?


I think vulp' has been the fairest ad most reasoned person in this thread. It's pretty much how I feel - thanks for saving me a lot of typing.

 

Incomplete as in not fully grown. A person is a person from birth, but people are of all ages, all sizes.

I wasn't always a Christian but seeing as society mostly puts the blame on white Christians it's almost pointless saying you believe in God nowadays, even on a open "hippie" site like this. I used to be for abortion and actually thought murder was ethical. I figured life ends so what's the matter if I end the life of another? But I found God. I stopped looking at others as tools to use to conquer. I discovered tolerance, love, unity, mercy, etc. It helped me realize life isn't pointless and an adult is not worth more than a baby.

 

First of all, I don't know what all this nonsense about live birth abortions is all about. is that even legal? Most women get abortions in the first trimester when a live birth abortion would be impossible.

This just isn't true. For example, I'm currently on what's called the mini pill because I'm breastfeeding. I can't take the normal pill. The mini pill is not nearly as effective. I've talked to a few women that have gotten pregnant on it. I know women who have gotten pregnant on the pill too. Condoms break, pills have to be taken correctly, there is no room for human error with birth control.

Being pregnant for 9 months takes a tremendous physical and emotional toll on a woman. Before I had a baby I never would have considered abortion. I was pro choice but it wasn't for me. My tune has changed a bit since having a child to be honest.

I don't think anyone on either side of the debate should be so inflexible in their opinion unless they have a clue as to what it's like to carry a child, give birth, and fall in love with a person they brought into the world. It is tremendous and complex.

 

That still doesn't relieve you of your fault in the matter. Whenever you slide your dick inside someone, you hold just as much cause in the effect. Even if she took your cum and intentionally shoved it in her, you'd still hold some responsibility if she got pregnant IMO because you provided the opportunity. By the same token, I hold some fault of my own if a girl gives me some infection.

Understood. I've been in a situation nearly identical to yours. But oppositely I wanted no part of what you wanted.

 

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean that they're an ignorant brainwashed sheep. It just means that they have a different opinion, have had a different upbringing, have different values. No need to be so hostile.

 

Sometimes the people yelling the most about what they feel others should be allowed to do or not, don't want the same imposed on them.

 

Yeah besides Republicans are tools also.

 

So I have a question for you two...... say a women get raped is she supposed to keep that child? B/c according to you guys it's murder right....... even tho she didn't ask to be raped...it was against her wishes. Is that fair to her.

Ok I ask everyone this who is concerned about this life.......

Do you want this child to live in that welfare cycle where I know some of you complain about these types "sponging" off the gov't and in some cases abusive relationships?? or given up for adoption/ end up in foster care....where let's face it over crowded already.

What type of life is that for said "innocent life" to be brought into the world as and have 0 chance from the start.

And where was the condom on the man's part....... your statement is ignorant and I think you are selfish for putting the whole responsibility of birth control on the women, and then not liking the outcome when it's over all because you didn't wrap your dick and took the chance.

 

First of all, our civilization is completely unsustainable. We can't go on much longer supporting people who choose not to work (note the difference between can't and choose). Now, in order for every child to be cared for we would have to learn to stop wasting our food, devise ways of providing cheap housing (far cries from tenement type housing), among other things. Now, once we achieve the ability to maintain every single life on this planet then we will have the ability to care for foster kids, abandoned, abused, aborted, etc. It currently is impossible today.

The woman doesn't have to keep the kid, that's where sustainability comes into play. We can barely feed ourselves, another mouth just might be the straw that broke the camel's back, we never know.

I can't believe in this society women are held on a higher level above an unborn child. Why? What makes a woman so special? What makes a man so special? Why not equality? All life is precious. And to those thinking murder is okay, you would most likely spit in Ted Bundy's face. Why? Because he killed people among raping, necro. But a woman who is pregnant and thinks ending a life is acceptable because she chooses not to be a "stereotypical" child rearing woman. Hey, I have no problem if the woman can't keep it because it reminds her of her rapist or a bad time. I do. My aunt had an abortion to do just that in the late 80s or early 90s (rape).