Abortion, (esp live birth abortions..)

This "kids in the system" and "overpopulation" as examples of bad outcomes from those that didn't abort is easy to say when you're the one that got/gets to live. The system is our government involved again in making "life decisions" that they are not competent to make. It doesn't make that kid any less valuable for life. As for overpopulation, that's just dispicable, as you sit there comfortably in this overpopulated world. It makes me think this argument justifies war, and natural disastors....because afteral.....mass death reduces population. Jeez.

 

At least there are still some intellectual people. Liberals are just self righteous; I've met many Liberals who support global governance, and controlling the resources of the world through war. (They think death and endless war is a small price to pay for their precious oil and opium poppy.)

But it all ties together. So many talk about "Over population," but what about all the women who try desperately, but can't have kids? Adoption can be a much better option!!

 

I dislike liberals as well. Very much so, in fact.

Not that most so-called "conservatives" are much better. Many are as bad or worse -- esp. those who are of a deeply religious persuasion.

The average Republican doesn't know a thing about limited government and the preservation of freedoms.

But I do indeed have a deep disdain for most liberals and so-called "progressives." Especially vile, frigid, feminist women like a few who have responded to this thread. I wouldn't touch a feminist with a ten foot pole.

It is a fact that liberals are the ones who are most in lockstep with the New World Order agenda. They pose as open-minded people, when in reality they are some of the most closed-minded and hateful people. Brainwashed, too.

 

What the fuck planet are you meeting "liberals" on?

"liberal" means you want to change the system. It doesn't mean much more. It means you might have sat on the left if you where in the revolutionary french congress.

Conservatives like things the way they are. Do you like things right now? Or do you want to change things? Or some of them want things to be like they used to be. The US has never been even close to perfect, or as good as it could be, do you want to go backwards?

Do you want to give government more power and create more laws? Or do you want to actually think about what you're fucking, and not stick your dick in people who don't share your values on abortion? Why would you have sex with someone who does not share your opinion on the definition of murder? I think that's a pretty important thing to agree on, given the context. Maybe the issue is just as much your lack of responsibility, as hers. You have after-the-fact responsibility, but that doesn't really change the original facts one bit.

Like most issues, there is no "right" policy decision here, but there are many shades of "right" and "wrong" decisions and actions by individual people. Absolutism doesn't work, especially when enforced by the government, and neither does it when people don't make responsible decisions. You AND someone else both did something irresponsible, and you don't like the outcome, so you're complaining that the government didn't force her to make the decision that you'd like.... but a bigger problem is that you are actually having sex with someone who finds something acceptable, when you consider it to be, with no shades of grey, murder. And your lack of personal responsibility is clear, when you don't want government regulation of just about anything, but you want government regulation in such a way that you would have your ass covered in situations where you violated your own moral code. Do you not see the disconnect, when your moral code forbids government intervention and prides personal responsibility, but you want government intervention to allow you to be personally irresponsible and not feel guilty over it?

Stop projecting your guilt onto her. You're the only reason you're in this situation.

Don't settle, if you want kids go find a partner with whom you see eye to eye, and do it right, for your sake and for the kids.

PR: Closed-minded does not mean that somebody does not agree with you -- try opening your mind a bit and considering that some people simply do not agree with your (somewhat extreme) positions.

And I say these things while actually liking both of you

 

Panicked women will always find a way to have an abortion. Those of you who think abortion should be illegal - do you propose we go back to the days of back alley abortions, clothes hanger abortions..or what about what my friend in high school did when she thought she might be pregnant, which is stay fucked up on pills for a month in hopes of inducing a miscarriage

Legal abortion doesn't mean a damn thing in terms of preventing or encouraging
abortion. It simply means that both mother and child don't have to die because of a botched abortion attempt.

As a side note I'm so sick of people slinging around the words liberal and conservative like they're insults. Politics do not define a person.

 

Random Fact?

Today is the 40th Anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision.

 

Immaturity = starting a thread when you aren't willing to interact honestly with people who disagree with your position.

Quite possibly your best post ever. :cheers2:

 

There will be no "go back to the days of back alley abortions". There are so many proponents, and so many advances in medicine, that very reputable and able doctors, skilled nurses, privately trained feminists will do them safely and secretly.

There are so many preventions of pregnancy, that if a life is conceived even after all those methods, then very likely there's a purpose (if you believe in that).

 

Or we could keep legalities away from your superstitious beliefs about purposes.

Few people would have ANY clue who to ask for an abortion. And then we would have fun law enforcement abortion stings, and prosecution for attempted abortion, and for thinking about abortion, and all that sort of thing. Just like drugs now.

So, pull your head out of your ass and, until you like the amount of government we have, stop arguing for more of it.

And not only are you arguing for overreaching law, you're arguing for law that you admit would not work.

This is a pretty big, and pretty retarded (in the literal sense, like you seem to be mentally deficient) leap from your position on guns and other government intervention.

A simple solution is to.... get this.... not have sex with people who you consider to be murderers.

 

I'm not asking government to make it illegal. Nor do I think that will EVER come to be. I'm asking society to have a respect for conception.

 

Well everybody else on your side is asking for government intervention, best be doing some serious distancing from them.

 

With your love for govenment intervention, I'm surprised you're not one of them.

 

*Sigh* I think it's time for me to leave this thread alone.

You know, the dumbest thing about all this is you don't even know if the kid was yours to begin with!

 

Precisely. People who fight for their supposed second amendment rights know that taking away guns will not prevent gun owners from finding ways to get and own guns any more than the prohibition prevented people from drinking alcohol and partying in secret locations where alcohol was served. Therefore, why would they be ignorant enough to think that making abortion illegal would end abortion? As you stated, the back alleys would be used, because a woman will get an abortion if she wants one despite what anyone else states, and not being in a safe environment further places her life at risks where she cannot be properly taken care of in a real abortion clinic or hospital.

 

I, as well as many others who are pro-choice, do not view it as abortion. Therefore, yes, I would stand and watch it happen. Honestly, why do pro-lifers, who are not pro-life at all but rather pro-birth, because they honestly do not give a shit about the life after it is born or else they would take the types of measures to ensure no child ever went hungry, think that using the word murder is going to somehow going to deter someone from thinking that abortion is okay?

 

You talk more shit than everyone else thinks I do. I may be self-righteous, because when it comes to most of the opinions I do have I know they are absolutely correct when compared to an opposing ignorant viewpoint, but RooR is absolutely correct in stating that you know absolutely nothing about true liberals. You speak of liberals being brainwashed, yet you seem completely unaware of the fact that you are more brainwashed than anyone else. Is it not always the way, though, that those who fling certain derogatory words around tend to do so because the word also pertains to them?

 

Because someone has differing views doesn't mean they are brainwashed.

 

What a spot on point!!

And the same society should have respect for somebody else's decision.

Completely agree!!

 

Sure it doesn't make the kid and less valuable for life. But what if the parent's can't even provide for the kid how is that fair to the child to be born with such a huge disadvantage already?

How is that fair to the child to be brought into a world where they have to struggle from the get go......

You do realize how hard it is to adopt in your own country right?? How much $$ it costs the legal side to it all........ People would rather do overseas adoption b/c it is cheaper what does say that about the gov't?

And also is it fair to the child to be left like that....... some kids never get adopted. What kind of a life is that?

 

^This is a fair statement StpLSD, which is why I was skeptical of why you started a thread that feels like your bating other people on these forums to start an argument in a way to emotionally vent your personal situation.

If you need to vent that's fine, but if you're going to drop personal attacks based on the conflicting views of others that's uncalled for.