Abortion, (esp live birth abortions..)

This is complete rhetoric about adoption. It may be hard to adopt them out of a foster home (which these days are typically ran by government CPS employees, who most don't even give a shit about kids) However, my mom adopted my sisters baby out to a very sweet, wealthy young couple in California who desperately wanted a kid of their own. So, it's not "impossible," typically foster homes are a short time stay, but my grandma grew up in one and, nothing seems wrong with her. It seems immoral to take away an individuals life simply because he/she is an inconvenience to you. (for a relatively short time.)

 

Ron paul said that one time, he saw a late term abortion (we don't seem to know WHY it was preformed, they are generally illegal without a good reason), and so, it's common practice to let babies die in buckets.

This has nothing to do with your situation, and nothing to do with the abortion debate at large.

Ron paul in an ablosutist. There are shades of grey in life. Get over it.

Also, he seems to be advocating policy change not because there is no time it's morally acceptable to have an abortion, but because it sends the "right message" to make a law, regardless of the actual effect of it..... sounds kind of like a lot of other disasterous laws we have.... how libertarion of him

Or maybe he's a politician like any other, and says what will get him the votes that he needs from the group that he has targeted.

 

Actually her abortion was a live birth abortion, so it has everything to do with my situation. Dr. Ron Paul is the only politician who sticks to his word.. How do I know that? Who's behind obama? JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs.. Who's behind Bush? JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs..Who's behind ROMNEY? JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs..

Democrats and republicans are controlled by the same oligarchy, but that's beside the point. At least you did pretty much say that live birth abortions are wrong, we can agree there and leave it at that.

 

Abortions aren't political anyways. They're used as a wedge issue by politicians to create division where one might not really exist, but being used for politics does not make something innately political. I see that you are doing the same thing too.

Abortion is personal. You're proving that. You're throwing out a lot of political rhetoric to stir up debate but the heart of the matter is the fact that you were personally effected by something and it bothers you. Learn from it, don't have sex with women that believe in abortion, and move on.

also I wanted to add that Ron Paul did his medical residency years ago. I doubt they put babies in buckets anymore, if they ever did. Anyone can adjust their wording to make something sound worse than it really is to suit their agenda. You've done it throughout this whole thread.

 

Ron Paul, please. You have to do better than that unreliable source.

 

But we all do agree, we agree we can't agree.

 

The only thing upon which I agree in regards to this thread is that some unintelligent people cannot agree with me.

 

I wish you would stop saying live birth abortion. There's no such thing as a live birth abortion. The very term itself is an oxymoron.

 

That's what it's called, and what it is. Maybe you finally feel some empathy for supporting it. (But I seriously doubt that.)

 

Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they're unintelligent.

 

What did you know about abortion, and did you have an opinion on it, before it happened to the woman you are concerned you may have impregnated?

 

Apparently

I don't know if that is true. Is there any evidence for this, StpLSD25?

It's actually called Intact dilation and extraction (IDX). It is also known as intact dilation and evacuation, dilation and extraction (D&X, or DNX), intrauterine cranial decompression and, the vernacular of the United States, as partial birth abortion (wiki). I think we can guess why some people prefer to call it 'live birth abortions'.

 

No it's not. I believe what you're referring to is "partial-birth". Once the child is born, it's no longer an abortion. It's really not that complicated to understand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intact_dilation_and_extraction#Partial-birth_abortion
The term "partial-birth abortion" is primarily used in political discourse — chiefly regarding the legality of abortion in the United States.[6] The term is not recognized as a medical term by the American Medical Association[7] nor the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.[8]

And tell me, when did you hear me say that I was in support of such a thing?

 

This thread has left reality.

So women are just running around, getting themselves pregnant (hint, we don't make sperm), waiting 7 months, then going through childbirth (yeah, our bodies will do the childbirth thing even if you call it an abortion) to throw the baby in a bucket to die? We do this all the time? For birth control? Are you crazy?

Aside from the promnight dumpster babies we've all heard about, this isn't real.

If someone told you that the woman you think you got pregnant did this, you've totally been fished in. Go sue her for damages. Call the police. Find out.
You didn't want that child anyway, you threw it away first, if it even existed in the first place. If you had wanted it, you should have been there from the minute you heard the rumor.

 

I might be wrong but I have a feeling this sprang from this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OLzkdnv6Q"]Obama On- "Live Birth Abortion" - YouTube

(a particularly emotive ending)

 

"The U.S. Supreme Court has stated that intact D&X remains legal as long as there is first an "injection that kills the fetus.""

So, in other words, there was no screaming baby in a bucket. It's just not true. Even if she got a late term abortion, there was no screaming, no breathing, and no bucket.

 

You admit here that these type places are run by ppl who don't give a shit......so why would you want to add more babies to that situation??

I love how you added wealthy there b/c thats the truth to it.... you need to be wealthy to adopt.

I'm sure there are other sweet young couples out there who can't have children but can't adopt either b/c it is just so damn $$.

Also adoption brings up other problems that may creep up later in life picture this story.....

" Man and woman fool around get pregnant, they give the child up for adoption and go on with life.

Years later everyone has married now with their own families...... and guess who knocks on the door coming to look for you."

What a surprise that would be to an unsuspecting spouse esp. if it was something that was in the closet. or they knew but the kids didn't know.....all of a sudden they have a new older bro/sis?

Adoption isn't always a happy ending. But getting OT now.

Let's face it none of the choices are easy ones to make nobody wants an unplanned pregnancy but whatever choices are made we need to respect them.

Abortion/Adoption whatever but more importantly don't be stupid and protect yourself.

 

Live birth abortion? Where does this happen and why? I didn't know this was a thing. If it's like alive why don't they just put it up for adoption?

 

There is no such thing as live birth abortion. How many times must I repeat it?

 

Just googled it and I dunno if I was reading a bunch of propaganda but there were pictures and this shit is just awful! I support abortion but that's a choice I feel should be made right away it's a big decision I know but damn that's just I dunno not ok with me. I don't like telling other people what to do with their bodies but damn.