ABORTION....?! yay or nay?!!

hah...ok...internet sucks for sarcasm, doesnt translate into text, oh the fights that have started on the internet based on misinterperreted tone...

 

The reason why medical abortion clinics were created in the first place, was to make sure that the procedure was performed safely. Women were being mutilated and didn't received proper treatment post-abortions. I don't think it's right for a woman to have to keep a baby, say if she was rapped nor do I think her womb should be used to carry a baby she'll have to give away.

And what about Jehovah's witnesses, that don't accept blood transfusions based on religious beliefs?

Stem cell research? If you grow a human heart in a lab for research, does it have a right to live?

If siamese twins have a chance to be seperated, if it means that they could both die - should the procedure be banned?

Are the lives of animals, and labrats inferior to that of a human fetus?

No one can argue that an abortion procedure should be completely banned in all circumstances. And the state is not about to codify abortion laws to over-extend its reach upon a person's reproductive organs.

 

The best answer to both sides of the abortion arguement is that they are both right in their own respects. Abortion debate is silly really, because neither pro-life or pro-choice address the other sides beliefs because, from their point of view, they are both infallible. Its almost as absurd as having a debate over what tastes better, pizza or hamburgers. It is more important than pizza and hamburgers yes, but still, there will never be an absolute answer to it, and progression is really a matter of paradigm shifts.

 

I'm anti-abortion, but pro-choice. I find abortion to be immoral (see below for exceptions) in most cases, but still feel that women should have the choice nonetheless. Not so much for the women as for the children. Women make a choice to have unprotected sex (once again, see below for exceptions); if they can't take care of the child, they should still have abortion as an option for the benefit of the would-be child. Either way, it's important that they have the abortion within the first trimester, or as soon as possible after finding out they are pregnant. Late abortions, especially third trimester abortions, offer the possibility of a living fetus (child, not a point to argue here)... one stands out in my mind, taht of a child born with Down Syndrome as a result of a failed abortion int he third trimester.

Obvious exceptions would be rape, incest, male cruelty (taking advantage of women, giving them a sense of security, then dumping them when pregnancy known). Flame me later.

 

While I am very much pro-choice, I couldn't tell you if I could actually do it myself. I have been fortunate in my life that I have not been in a situation of having to decided to abort or not. My girls were planned so I wanted to have children and felt ready to have them at the time.

It is far more complicated than could you or not? Many people say thing that if in the circumstance they would do this or that but the true reality is that you never know what you could do until your thrust into a situation where you would have to make that choice.

The real reality is that the world will never be in a perfet place where all children are wanted, concieved out of love, and have parents that proved a good a loving home. the burtal truth is that women are molested, raped, victims of insest, junkies, or just plain to young or to unprepaired to raise a child. while I don't think abortion should be used as birthcontrol I do think there should be something to protect women should they find themselves in a situation where they would feel the need to choose.

If all children were wanted then there wouldn't be a need for a huge foster care system were.

If you ask me (I know i am going to get some flack for this) if all of these prolifers really wanted to do something about unwawnted children they should be adopting all of these children we have with out a home and good family and putting their money where their mouth is instead of investing it in a pro-life license plate every year.
Just my humble feminist opinion

 

A creepy side note, it has been revealed that 10 million girls have been aborted in India for that very purpose, the fact that they are girls. I think that this (which happens in the west too, dont kid yourself) is one example of the flaws of having absolute choice for every single circumstance. there needs to be control over abortion so that this, and other forms of forced abortion, do not occur.

 

I would keep it and yes because it is beautiful tiny miraculous life. I have had abortions when i was younger and now have 3 girls so have been on both sides. Right now if i were pregnant? I would keep the baby. When i had an abortion (more than one) both times i 'thought' i was doing the right thing on some level, but i felt an enourmous gulf of despair right afterwards and its excrutiating knowing theres no turning back.There was definately a greiving period aftewards, and i felt angry at myself. And when i had children afterwards and realised just what i had given up, those choices that i made haunt me. I wonder wether they were girls or boys what they would have looked like ect. I did regret them, but i am still pro choice beacuse there are circumstances that can warrant it. Its not an easy choice for anyone to make and often rushed into. Seems like a quick easy fix to alot of women but it doesn't erase the reality of the fact that you were pregnant with a growing child, your child. And i don't buy into the idea that just because its not fully developed that it's not human or whatever, its a miracle and when you abort you put an end to a life and some pretty wonderful possibilties for a new unique little human being not to mention mother/child relationship that will flip your perspective on life 180 degrees... (and thats a pretty wonderful thing too)..

 

Hey I'm pro choice because I think that everyone is at a different time in there life and only you can know if your ready or if a baby fits into your life if you don't want it or you think one two many times about not wanting to do it then don't you'll mess it up for you and the child, Do what is best for you because if it doesn't work for you it will not work that much for the baby you bring in to it.

 

An interesting fact, abortion has been around forever, but anti-abortion laws have only been passed 150 years ago. since then abortion rates have actually increased vastly, my theory, it occurs due to the woes of modern societies, therefore voting for a pro-choice party that would make society more equal and just would generate less abortions than voting for a pro-life party that would perpetuate this neoliberal society.

 

yay for the right to have an abortion
nay: i personally couldnt have one... i see it like there is a person growing inside.. and its not right for me to take their life

very simply put

 

I used to think that if it happened to me that I probably could not go through with such a choice as abortion ..... but as for other women, well I believe that it should be a womans choice, because she is more than a mere "vessel" and her life should be considered just as much as some potential thing growing in her..
Well, now, seeing as sterilization isnt available to someone like me, and birth control being the inadequate thing it is..... if I were to do everything possible to NOT get pregnant and still did .... I dont see why I should have to bear a child....
Sexuality is like a friggin trap ... damned if you do and damned if you dont...... *sighs* .... Thats why fucking sterilization and better birth control methods should be more widely available... not HELD BACK like so many clinics are doing to us women! ugh...

 

Anyone who believes in love and peace most assuredly would not believe in abortion. Also, I believe life begins at conception. If you have ever been pregnant, you would agree. I saw in earlier posts that a guy thought life began at birth, then used the analogy of not cutting off cancer. That was among one of the stupidest segments of bullshit I have ever read. Only an 18 year old guy could simplify it so ridiculously. We could argue this subject for days, and no one would ever agree. There are excellent birth control methods available. Women should choose one since they want choices. I've said my peace.

 

Just choose one? Ok. Myself and several women I know have gotten pregnant while on BC. Several women on this forum would like to be sterilized because they never want children. Their doctors refuse. DancerAnnie's doctor refusing to prescribe BC. So many pharmacists now can refuse to fill prescriptions. Condoms sometimes break. All of this would be moot if Plan B were readily available without prescription, but we can't have that either.

 

I am 100% pro-choice. But am I pro-abortion .Not always. To me the important issue is having the option of abortion available rather than it being a panacea for all the worlds ills. I don't thinks it's a good idea to use it as a form of birth control but that is MY choice not to.
The pro-lifers need to leave women who chose to do this alone. As if abortion isn't hard enough without someone throwing a bible in your face. They need to focus on the kids in need that are ALREADY born. Plus if you want to be pro-life it should be across the board. No death penalty, not eating meat. Why is okay to say no to "murdering" in one, but advocate it in all others.
People just hate abortions because it places so much power in a woman's hands. The power to control life.

 

Not your or my choice, it is up to every family and individuals to decide what is best for them not state or some religious nuts.

 

DUH. Every womyn who has HAD an abortion HAS been pregnant.

Love and peace can also mean not bringing a child into a life which is not appropriate for them. YOU can "beleive" what you like. Don't "beleive" in abortion. Great. You don't have to have one. You don't have the right to make that choice for other womyn.

 

I'm all for women having the right to choose if she wants to abort her pregnancy, but I do not have the heart to do it myself. If I get pregnant, then it was meant to be and I will try the best I can to be the best mommy out there. I wouldn't change my life too much. I would bring my child on the road with me if need be. I would have an abortion if the doctors tell me that something is seriously wrong and they suggest an abortion. If I ever got an abortion it would stay in my head for the rest of my life. I think pro-lifers that throw pictures of dead fetuses into people's faces are rediculous because they are giving their rights over to a government. It is a VERY scarey thing when a government tells you what to do with your body. Abortion is illegal in either ND or SD...I'm going to say ND. I would NEVER step foot into that state because that state's government has control over my body. Once these laws spread across the USA, then I'm out of here. Fuck that. All of our freedoms are going away.

Oh, and for all of you Pro-Lifers, have you ever been raped? I have and if I became pregnant i would NEVER have that asshole's child. He's lucky that he's still alive! I went into a long depression that lasted for 3 years. It would still be here if I got pregnant and had his baby. Fuck that!

All you people can say that you'd never get an abortion, but in reality you have no clue what you would do unless you were in the situation. All of you can preach about Peace + Love, but that has NOTHING to do with abortions. What if the mother is homeless and has no money to feed herself? How will she raise a child? We have to take care of ourselves before we can care for another being. What if the mother is going through a hardcore addiction and had tried everything to stop and doesn't want to put her child through it? Have you seen/read Trainspotting? The baby died due to the mother being tied up with dope and not caring for her baby. Would you rather see a baby go through this? Even if social services took the baby away the baby would be thrown into a group home and wait to be adopted. A lot of children in this situation never find a home. I work in the social services field and I see it all the time.

People need to open their eyes to reality. I believe in peace and love, but reality sets in.

 

Ummm...I was gearing that statement toward the guy who posted earlier arguing that conception began at birth.
Everyone has the freedom to state their position on this matter without getting into an argument. I never once suggested that I "had the right" to choose for anyone. I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it. Mellow out, Sister.

 

You said that there are many choices of BC out there, and women who want choices should choose one. It's not that cut and dry sister.

 

I gotta say...I'm for living !! I feel that killing is wrong. And that's what abortion is.
I'm a Mother of two. I felt them move in my womb. I listened to their heart beat
while at the doctors. I have a sonogram photo of my son sucking on his thumb
while inside of me. I've seen photos of babies that were aborted with saline
which burned their little bodies or the vacs that ripped off their heads and limbs while
still in the womb and alive. Guess what...they felt it...their brains were
developed enough to feel pain. If you end up pregnant and can't or don't
want to take care of the baby...there are plenty people out there who
would love to raise that child. I understand that accidents happen.
I didn't plan either of my pregnancies. But I have ended up with two
awesome children who I know I could not imagine not being a part of my
life. Just my own opinion.