Abortion

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by SpacemanSpiff, Aug 8, 2010.

  1. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    Personally I'm against abortion because I don't think a human person is measured by their intelligence or awareness. However, when someone brings up rape or incest, I think that's a red herring since pregnancies from these are rare. I'd gladly make the compromise of outlawing abortion and make exceptions in these cases. Not that I'd like those abortions remaining, but to me more lives would be saved than in the current situation.
     
  2. Nyxx

    Nyxx HELLO STALKER

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    I am pro-choice. I am not a fan of people using abortion as "lazy" brith control. I am also not a fan of a 15 year old rape victim FORCED to birth a child.

    Humanity is rotten.
     
  3. TipsyGypsy

    TipsyGypsy Light of a Fading Star

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    Same here.
     
  4. guile99703

    guile99703 Member

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    Aren't the people that are generally apposed to abortion generally associated with those that support the death penalty?

    Like everyone is conceived with endless potential (and its a crime to deprive the world of their existence), but if they screw up.... then they should die...
     
  5. TipsyGypsy

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    That is a fair point, but I think an argument would be that the 'killer' had a choice to do wrong and therefore find themselves on death row, whereas the unborn foetus doesn't.

    It would be interesting to know though - it might be a surprising number.
     
  6. Justin_Hale

    Justin_Hale ( •_•)⌐■-■ ...(⌐■_■)

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  7. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    All I know is there 1.3 billion Chinese and without 15 million abortions performed every year for the past decade, and 10 million abortion inducing pills sold each year their population would be completely out of control :eek:


    Hotwater
     
  8. guile99703

    guile99703 Member

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    But wouldn't that mean pro-life only extends until you can be tried as an adult?
     
  9. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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    the idea that "extreme liberals" would want to abort a 7 mo. old baby is outrageous.

    notice how most of the people posting in this thread don't even have the ability, nor can they fathom, that parasitic relationship of pregnancy.
     
  10. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    I don't understand this... are you saying that personal choice trumps the immorality of murder? Or are you allowing the possibility that you could be wrong and therefore have no right to enforce your belief on another?
     
  11. Justin_Hale

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    The fact that I think it's wrong, and unnatural to flush a new life doesn't make it wrong to everyone else. It's not against the law is it.

    It's not my decision to make. All I can do is say I don't like it.
     
  12. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    They could be saying they realize other people have different opinions then they're own and the easiest way to deal with an issue like abortion is that if you don't like abortion, don't get an abortion.
     
  13. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    That's the same thing as the second option I left him.

    So the second option... it's your opinion but it could be wrong.

    Both these posts preclude the possibility of objectively saying murder is wrong. I find that odd. IF, and I am saying IF, abortion is the murder of a human, than it is wrong. If it is not, than it is fine. To say otherwise would be to say that a woman's personal choice trumps basic human morality.
     
  14. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Abortion is a case of personal morality, as is murder, the difference is basically 99.7% of people think murder is wrong so we have strict laws against it, abortion is split down the middle, and with murder no one doubts the deceased person was in fact a live, conscious being, a good deal of people don't consider a fetus to be a person.
     
  15. Justin_Hale

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    How many ways do I have to say it?

    It's murder as far as I'm concerned. But people have their reasons for doing it, right.

    I cannot and will not force my ideas on someone else. If I had to vote right now on it, I'd vote pro. But that doesn't mean I have to like it. :mad:

    Don't put me on a couch and ask me why.
     
  16. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    I agree with you here. However if academics come out definitely one way or the other I think we would have to make a change, or no change, depending on what the answer is.
     
  17. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    Simmer down champ, it's a message board not the debate team. I was engaging in a friendly discussion, if you're not up for it, fine, but don't make things out to be confrontational needlessly.
     
  18. TipsyGypsy

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    Like it's been said, I feel that abortion is a matter of personal opinion. One person might feel it is wrong and is the killing of a human life, the next person might feel the foetus is not yet
    human, so it isn't murder.

    I get what Justin Hale is saying, and I appreciate that although he doesn't agree with abortion, he wouldn't force his beliefs on the issue on someone else.
     
  19. deviate

    deviate Senior Member

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    who is going to take care of all these babies when there are already loads of babies without parents or homes? not either of you I'd venture to say.
     
  20. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    I think this is a red herring... prevention of getting pregnant is the key to population control, not abortion.
     

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