Abraham muslim or jew/ Akhenaten founder of Judaism?

Yea I said my paste function wasn't working that day. Thanks for the generosity though.

No, Buddha Shakyamuni and Krishna were my outside of the monotheisms example, as well as another one can be Queztlcoatl of the Ancient Mayans, and Aztecs. I agree there was good before Akhenaten, but not a mass organization based on good, as well as non-violence which is obviously the reason he never had setup a true military on his side, and extended payroll.

The ancient mystery schools taught modern sciences, astrology, divination techniques, and occult sciences that were pre-kaballah, and involved sacred geometry, and sacred power of words and incantations. However it was presented in a mystical way and probably had much more knowledge than you or I can even know, that isn't involved in modern learning, the real "secrets of secrets type stuff". That everybody wishes was telekinesis and Jedi like abilities, yet most likely is probably some sort of spiritual science living in complete harmony with the universe, whatever the case. here is an excerpt


In that joyous cosmic consciousness lies the secret of the apparent amorality of Akhnaton’s Teaching, and its actual moral meaning.

As I said already, such a God as “the Heat-and-Light-within-the-Disk” can issue no “commandments” like an exalted tribal deity made in the image of its worshippers. His laws are none but the unbending Laws of Nature, expression of the inner harmony of His own being at every stage and in every detail of His manifestation in Time. There is, indeed, and there can be no other rule of conduct for His worshippers but to “live in Truth,” i.e., in tune with the eternal Order of the Universe, accomplishing the diverse tasks which are theirs while remaining inwardly at peace with themselves and with every created being. And that ideal of life — which may well seem vague to those who do not grasp its implications — is precisely the one put forward by King Akhnaton.

The famous title “Ankh-em-Maat” — Living in Truth — accompanies his name in every inscription of his reign apart from the very early ones, and the only definite information that can be gathered about his actual practical Teaching, from the inscriptions in the tombs of his professed followers at Tell-el-Amarna, is that he preached the love of “truth” in all walks of life. “The King has put truth into me, and my abomination is to lie,”1 declares one of the courtiers, named Ay, and “truth” cannot mean anything else but that which I have just said (and “lie,” its contrary), in the case of a religion centred around Solar Energy.

This right here is evidence of him spreading a hidden truth. Of the workings of the Universe and solar order, as the sun being the major facet of creation of our galaxy which science would only realize in the past 500 years. Which shows the obvious connections to the mystery school initiation.

We shall see that Akhnaton’s personal fulfillment of his own cherished motto consisted in bearing witness to the glory of all the Golden Ages or “Ages of Truth,” behind him and ahead of him, untiringly, even at the cost of material ruin and historical failure.

As for the pre fall state of grace I have no proof for this and will take to long for to research Egyptian creation, yet in the Babylonian account of the Annunaki which I beleive all religions and mythologies come from, did have an after the fall event breaking humans from their original connectedness with god and each other. Science and Anthropology, as well as history points to mesopotamia as having the first Civilization thus backing up that the annunaki began all human intelligence.

As for the levite priests, they were Black on the history channel, and in pictures. Thus giving reason to say the first hebrews were actually African of skin and features than Semitic. I said I don't agree with this though, and you pointed out the Torahs multitude of mixture.

As for the Idols of the family I read that same thing too, but still it says later in his reign he eliminated all idols, it doesn't specify the ones of the Royal Family. I beleive those too were intended to be destroyed.

If theres no historic Abraham then I would have to refer to the religion that claim descent from him, as well as how he is viewed as a Patriarch genetically of the Semitic Hebrew people. Judaism should have a better explanation, what is he just an archetype then? Made to confuse the people into thinking he really existed as well as all the others? Or just legend told to brainwash a mass into worshipping a slave master masked in the all god, and practice rituals to the Annunaki Enlil? As for Noah the only ground I have is in the Sumerian Deluge event, the same exact story, told as true history. Utnapishtem was the name of Noah.

Im not sure what you mean by that, I am only pointing out an alternate theory to one that doesn't make any sense to begin with I guess, but still cmon now.

Because the religion says they existed. In my mind if they say they didn't its stupid, if its legends retold its a sham. If its all fake just to inspire people its a little better but still a sham. Id think there were tablets, I'd think Akhenaten if he were to be the translator knew both the languages of the time. What are you gonna say they actually didn't exist in the same time period, and that the Jews were never even in Egypt now?

I said they were, but I don't beleive he wrote the tablets with the direct word of god. I beleive that Akhenaten could've been up on Mt. Sinai with the Tablets already written that he worked on during his exile. So he would've just gone over them with moses, and could've staged this event as the law handed down by God to Moses, bing bam bada boom they got a divine intervention and further reason to move the Hebrews to Canaan.

As for the quran thats finished.

The stuff I mentioned in the first response, about science, and the heat and light within the sun as the true essence and cosmic radiation that impacts all life, in the galaxy. That we are related, and that there are no gods of the sky, and beneath the ground. That that these are only forces of weather. etc. all stuff that we know today due to science, and math. These are the things the priesthoods tried to keep away from people, being that these were what was learned by the Royal and wealthy in the ancient mystery schools. Also ego-death and rebirth, initations of all kinds and everything I said in the first paragraph. Then I mean we can take it a stretch into occult sciences that every ancient culture speaks of and took hold of Europe in the 1800s, as well as even In Judaism through Kaballah etc. I haven't studied these in depth however.

Money is the whole reason why these secrets were kept secrets. To make the wealthy pay the priesthood, to reveal texts and such and give them a sense of security in the afterlife. (I was talking about the Egyptian priesthood by the way not the Jewish just yet.)

They told them lies of all these gods with a vast mythology, yet if AKhenatens worship of the universe through a rational and scientific godhead the immanent connection with the Aten, or cosmic radiance. Which is involved in every living cell to a degree. Without the mythology the priests would become commoners. No one wants to go down from a wealthy pedestol. Thats what money has to do with it. This is why we are not living in a world commune of peace, Akhenaten was exiled and his followers forced to convert back and his descendants murdered. Yet you even say the priesthood is hereditary, what about wealth? That is hereditary too. What better of a scam to lie about this vast mythology and legends to keep yourself rich, and your descendants carry on the tradition and become more wealthy.

 

Kabbalah is a specific form of Jewish mysticism that didn't see its first work until the Bahir in the 12th c, so that would go without saying.

You go on talking about this, but you have yet to give any evidence linking this to Akhenaten.

Why not?

How do you know?

How do you know this?

I didn't see any evidence. Just assumptions. Did I miss something?

I don't see how it does.

Then it is only your belief and not based in any hard research.

Again you're making a leap that the facts do not justify.

It says clearly in the article on atenism that the exception to the destruction of the idols was the images of his family. You can believe whatever you want, but it is only a belief.

Do you think there was a real Hercules? Why does there have to be a real Abraham? I don't think the authors of the bible considered him an archetype, and to them, at that time, he may have been considered a historical figure. But that does not make him any less of a myth or legend, something burped up around the fire and stewed until it took the form we have it in today.

It is not the same exact story. Go read the story. They're similar, and you will note that the mythologies in any local region tend to be similar.

I mean that New Age, like many religious movements, has no problem cooking the facts to serve its interests, not that there is any malicious intent, but that doesn't change what is happening.

The Jews didn't have to be in Egypt. Israel lied on a major trade route. That they were aware of heiroglyphs is of no bearing.

So in other words, you're mad at the priests for witholding something that only exists within your wild world of theories.

Is there anything you have to say about the Jewish priesthood or do you admit that it's beyond your ken?

In Israel, the priests were entitled to no portion of the land. They were dependent on the offerings of the rest of the nation for their daily food.

 

So what about all that stuff aout how Kabbalah was passed down, from Abraham then? Perhaps I was reading something false. Then what justifies the use of the Star of Davis as the symbol of Israel? If Solomon did not practice Kabbalah, along with neighboring occult sciences of the time? Unless you mean it was just compiled off different traditions withing the mysticism, in the 12 centrury.

Every Pharoah was intiated into the mystery schools of the time. It was the Royal Family and the Priests. If you do not agree with the material taught then I would like to know what you think they taught. Just the simple fact that Akhenaten wanted to change the religion to a rational religion, with aspects not recognized untill Modern Astronomy and science came around. The study of photons, and all things containing light particles. Heat and light being a dominant force in the galaxy if not the universe.

It has no body of factors to initiate, it was the Pharoahs responsiblity to uphold the code of morals, justice, and ethics. It could not speak at all, in the sense that we would understand it. It has no way to issue god given commandments.

The unbending laws of Nature are what, gravitational forces? The laws of Physics? If you stab yourself and bleed out you are going to pass on? You have to kill to eat? The inner harmony of his own being is adjusting with the times, things change you must too, this would be gods will.

As for the solar energy truth? What else is there worthy of worship in a scientific world free from dogma, tradition, and submission without proof? Than the fact that science admits about the light and heat, from the sun gave us this perfect temperate environment on Earth to spring up with life. Its the only thing proven, and I don't study solar energy so I can't give you a technical example but look it up and you can find it out. No other Religion could be proved like that in the modern day. Therefore it would have to lean towards a lie, because most stuff aint innocent untill proven guilty if you know what I mean.



Science and Anthropology, as well as history points to mesopotamia as having the first Civilization
Is that false?

It also said all idols were banished towards the end of his reign you will have to research outside of wikipedia, but still the fact that the mass of people looked up to the king as the political leader I could understand them having idols, but I meant worshipping these idols.

Evidence of him spreading truth, is the FACT he had these advanced views of the cosmos, that were real, and matched modern science. The only reasonable explanation for how he obtained this knowledge, is he learned it from the Mystery SChools but if we do not agree on the subjects taught in these ancient mystery schools then we can even go on further on these arguements.

Fine I agree, its just really stupid that the religion can have such different views.

The Sumerian came first in time, therefore it is undoubtably the most genuine. Obviously the old testament copied it, from the text or it was just a common theme and beleif of th region, whatever the case they are similar making them obviously related.

Well I dunno man it says Egypt, if it just means some grand empire enslaving them then I guess it makes no difference, but it still then a flaw in the major makeup of Judaism. As for the hieroglyphs I meant more along the lines of the spoken Egyptian language. Seeing as only scribes could actually write hierglyphs.

Not at all. Why did the priesthood revolt and exile Akhenaten? Why did those who came after him label him a terrorist and a tyrant? Why did a religion based on monotheism to an abstract god, if not in truth in story existed in the same time period? In the same country if you recognize the Hebrews actually being in Egypt. Its said by the Freemasons, and Knights Templar that they descend from the Mystery Cults of Egypt, and that this is what that taught. A deist philosophy that made sense with science. That these were the truths carried through the ages to avoid their total destruction by the Priesthoods and Church Hierarchy, denying all this scientific truth we'd discover later in time, finding out most religious malarchy is exactly that.

You win about the Jewish priesthood, I guess its not relative since you can't make the connection between the mystery cults, Akhenaten,monotheism and the exodus.

As for the Jewish priests whatever thats rad, the Egyptian and Mesopotamian priests were wealthy. Perhaps an obvious example of the Jewish people straying away from this?

 

According to traditional Judaism, the Torah is the blueprint of the universe. Thus, kabbalah, which claims to be nothing more than another dimension of Torah, claims the same thing. All of the major works of kabbalah have traditional attributions to older figures in history and/or mythical history, including one attributed to Adam. But scholars have debunked these attributions by analyzing the texts.

The star of david is not a traditionally Jewish symbol. This is understood even in Orthodox circles. For information on the historical development of this symbol as a symbol of the Jewish people, see here:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/star.html

I mean that it began to develop as a unique system with certain recognizable features both influenced by outside mysticism, what was going on within Judaism at the time, and earlier forms of Jewish mysticism. For earlier Jewish mysticism, you might want to look into ma'aseh merkavah and heikhalot literature, as well as Abulafian mysticism. Kabbalah is only one form of Jewish mysticism.

What I'm saying is I'm not interested in your theories. I don't want to hear it from you. I want you to present it from the mouths of reputable scholars.

I think you're giving him too much credit.

How do you know? And if this is true, it really seems like more of a political move than anything else on Akhenaten's part. Because he is the only way to the Aten and he is the sole arbiter of law. So if it comes from him, it is god-given.

So you're trying to make a case for worshipping solar energy?

That is correct.

You need to go look at the article on Atenism. It lists the idols as an exception. I still challenge you to find something specifically mentioning the end of the representations of the pharoah and his family. And how do you know they didn't worhship them?

What advanced views?

You mean it's stupid that Judaism isn't monolithic, that people within Judaism think for themselves?

You can only say it is the most genuine if you assume something really happened, which you can't.

I never disagreed with you on that point.

Maybe because he was trying to get rid of them?

Maybe because the people didn't like him for all his changes, and they were playing public opinion? Or because they were trying to get in good with the priests?

The only religion believing in a completely abstract God in that time and place was Atenism toward the end of the reign of Akhenaten.

And what makes you think the freemasons and knights templar are so credible?

 

Ok you cleared up Kabbalah then for me. As for the Star of David, Im wondering why that article never mentioned the Seal of Solomon, as being a prototype of the Star of David.



The study of photons, and all things containing light particles. Heat and light being a dominant force in the galaxy if not the universe.

Not at all am I giving him too much credit, his religion wasn't this advanced obviously as the study of photons. Yet even at such an ancient time, he knew the power of heat and light and its force in the galaxy.

Yes his actions were politically motivated because he strove for something that was very ahead of his time, a one world state under this scientific god of heat and light represented by the sun.

He did want to be seen as a demi-god on earth. Yet not a tyrant dominating through violent means. His idea was that the king was responsible for the ethics and moral codes, whereas the Aten did not have a body to care of such things and was only a force. Not a supreme being, just the force that created and penetrates our galaxy. I can agree however with the fact that probably those to come after him, would not have had his love for humanity and his codes of non-violence and peace. Therefore making it a mess of hell.

Yes, because according to Science the sun is responsible for us being here, and earth having a perfect climate to sustain life. All in all what I am proposing is that this could've been the origin of all monotheism, then once it became more of an archetype for human behavior, it took on false attributes with false worship.

As for the Idols of the family, the article said all were eventually banished but still the royal family was the intermediary between the Aten and the people, so I will concede on this point. Yet I beleive that even these were destroyed towards the end of his reign, and if he were succesfully then they would've been definately eliminated, seeing as he would not be around to take the glory, of the idols. Yet still I meant idols worthy of worship, not recognition.

I've said his advanced views, on mathematics, science, and astronomy. That were taught to the royal class, and kept shut by the Catholic church during the dark ages. His views that light an invisible power, in a time before light bulbs and when the only light through the darkness would be weak candles, and fires. Which were not as powerfull at proving the point of energy, and light as a modern lightbulb. So back then this was a hard concept obviously to understand.

True, ok but still conflicting views only take away from true meaning.

Yea, or he was revealing secret wisdom that they kept on lock from the main populace realizing that their really aren't gods of the sky and afterlife. That would put them out of power, and into the work fields, yet they knew they were living a lie.

Yes to them it was an abstract god, now take this into the light of modern day. Worshipping the heat we need to survive, and the light that allows plants to start the food chain, as well as light to see and work. This is not an abstract god to modern man. The god of the Hebrews, CHristians, and Muslims however is, when compared to this.

As for the Templars and Masons, could be just mythology as well. Whatever the case theres just something about how these secret societies, all claim descent as Solomon as the first Mason, and orginiator of their beleifs, of divination only through initiation.

 

Probably because that's only a New Age belief that's not based in proper historical analysis.

It doesn't take much to figure that out. He simply chose to deify that power.

I'm sorry. I can't do this anymore. I've asked you to give me proof a number of times and you have yet to cite a single source. You go on and on with your theories, not one source to back them up. And even when I prove you wrong on something, it then takes a few posts back and forth to get you to accept that you've been proven wrong. This just isn't worth my time.

 

You just don't know shit then. The Seal of Solomon isn't New age.

No one else new the power of heat and light, obviously hte Jews didn't. They copied this monotheism. No question about it and corrupted it into a mass mind control scheme thats obviously got you under control already.

Look it up on your own, Ive read copious amounts of info on the subject. I've been trying to sort through it for the past day. So don't be an asshole.

The point of my fucking post has been to show you to think outside the paradigm of whats directly written as history. Since you can't do that your still at phase one of complete slavery.

 

Also you didn't prove me wrong. You only picked apart my posts, and said show me proof of this, because you obviously have a limited knowledge of history and religion. As for the Seal of Solomonm, you based your idea of Atenism, and AKhenaten on wikipedia. Now look at the Star of David in wikipedia, and right away first thing you see is the corruption of the Seal of Solomon.

Abraham was not a jew, he was a muslim, muslims tried to revert back to this original monotheism, that the Jews corrupted.

Look at my signature by the way, did you know Pharoahs headdress was only esoteric symbolism for sacred geometry and the pentagon/pentagram as the endless spiral of the universe? Incorporating the Golden Mean and Phi?

Obviously not, I can't site you sources that the Egyptian Mystery Schools taught sacred Geometry, plus other sciences, because they were kept a secret and now only proven in their esoteric symbols.

 

Right, Nimrod. Whatever you say.

 

Dude you can't even acknowledge they had sacred geometry in ancient times and used their headress as an esoteric symbol? Its right there in front of you in my signature. This is a key aspect in understanding Akhenatens role.

 

No, all you've shown is that Tut's funerary mask can be shown to bear the shape of a pentagon. That's not evidence for mystery schools. I can't acknowledge that Egypt had mystery schools because you haven't given me any evidence. Sacred geometry? I've never argued that they didn't have it. You're making all or nothing assumptions, as if one piece of history proves your entire belief system. You still have not presented me with any reputable sources.

 

http://goldennumber.net/geometry.htm
The pentagram headress is an example of a method to find phi the golden mean. You think the average citizen knew of these things?

an excerpt from Egyptologist Sir William Osler

From the time of Pharaoh of the Third Dynasty to Pharaoh Khufu of Cheops of the Fourth Dynasty (builder of the great pyramids of Giza), we can see the superior intellect of these ancient African people. Their understanding of mathematics and knowledge of the heavens and the sun with relationship to the stars is astonishing. These people had studied astronomy in Egypt and the lands south of Punt for thousands of years. This is evidenced by the monuments that remain such as the Great Sphinx of Giza, the half human animal figure that dates back to the ancients of the ancients.

Kemet or Ta-merry was the center of learning. People from all over the Mediterranean came to study in their Mystery Schools. The Greek philosophers were students or had some contact with the students of the Egyptian institutions of learning. The Greeks who learned the ancient teachings of science, mathematics, astronomy, medicine, masonry, etc. were considered enemies of the state of Athens and were imprisoned exiled, or put to death.

There is in existence, a list of alleged Greek philosophers, who were regarded as undesirables in the Greek State in which they were citizens. These philosophers continued accepting their source of wisdom and knowledge from Egypt (Kemet), at the risk of physical injury to themselves. They were men who kept the records in their heads, and operated in deep secrecy in fear of the state (Greece).

Any Greek citizen that embraced foreign ideology was considered a criminal and a "teacher of an alien philosophy." This charge was lodged against Socrates, Aristotle, and others in the Greek government. It was Socrates who was put into prison and later sentenced to death by the same people who now claim his teachings as their own. All Egyptian temples carried inscriptions on the outside addressed to the Neophytes (initiates). And among them was the injunction "Know Thyself." Socrates copied these words from the Egyptian temples, but was not the author.

The Egyptian Mystery system was also a secret order. Membership was gained by initiation and a pledge of secrecy. The teachings were graded and delivered orally by the Neophyte; and under these circumstances of secrecy, the Egyptians developed secret systems of writing and teachings, and forbade their initiates from writing what they had learned. After nearly five thousand years of prohibition against the Greeks, they were permitted to enter Egypt for the purpose of their education. First through the Persian invasion and secondly through the invasion of Alexander the Great. The Greeks made the best of their chance to learn all they could about Egyptian culture. After the invasion of Alexander, the royal temples and libraries were plundered and pillaged, and Aristotle's school converted the library of Alexandria into a research center.

"It is Imhotep," said Sir William Osler of John Hopkins University, "who was the real father of medicine. The first figure of a physician to stand out clearly from the mists of antiquity." Imhotep, a multi-level genius, called "God of Medicine, Prince of Peace, and a type of Christ." If Imhotep designed the first "step pyramid" in approximately 2680 B.C. (and he did), how did Pythagoras develop the so-called "Pythagorean Theorem," the formula for the triangle, when he lived 540 B.C., 2100 years after the pyramid was built?

Well you can't just look over the symbolism used by the Headress. Now look at the symbolism used by Akhenaten when he did in fact CHANGE THE WHOLE STYLE OF ART OF THE TIME. During the Armana revolution. Look at this picture of Akhenatens statue
http://www.vagabonding.com/images/i032_akhenaten.jpg
The colossal version of this statue had the top cone part destroyed just like one arm is destroyed as to hide all of the esoteric symbolism within this statue. That Akhenaten was displaying compared to the normal pentagram of the Pharoahs headdress, like in King Tuts.

I will paste this picture shortly, of what Akhenatens statue has the capability of revealing.

 

I put the image as an attachment. The esoteric belly symbol, is a symbol of meditation, the very exact same method used by Buddhists when they made the big belly buddha statue. Just esoteric for the method of deep breathing.

The Ankh is portrayed as the white circle on the top then with the cross in white at the shoulders, and the white original line through the middle of his body.

The Swastika is surrounding his arms, down to that little square seemingly attached to nothing(hmm?) On his stomach, or is it just a point to imagine this image? What about the things on his arms ensuring a perfectly straight line? The swastika could be drawn in any which way so don't start pulling that nazis reversed it crap. Even though they did.

Then finally the big one, that made them have to destroy this upper portion of his headdress as not to reveal any possible connections between Judaism and his monotheism. The tree of life drawn out, which meets perfectly yet the image was small and and degree of crookedness in the lines made it come out a little imperfect but I am currently searching for a full body bigger picture to show the exactness of these lines inside of the Phi matrix that is setup around his head and body. Refer to the original picture to see anything that doesn't make sense, like his chin beard is kinda blurred out with lines.

 

This is why it isn't in mainstream history books dauer. It was not allowed to be taught publically untill modern times. It meant the gods were bullshit, and the priesthood and wealthy were not in fact better in the eyes of the gods. They were just better at lieing and keeping secrets. The Hebrews fit into this category Im sorry to say.

 

I did a search on Sir William Osler. There is no mention of him having any credentials for Egyptology, only that he was respected for his work in medicine. He did visit Egypt, but so did a friend of mine. I wouldn't call her an Egyptologist now. And I wouldn't call that a reliable source. I also wouldn't trust a site called "goldennumber.net" to be unbiased. The complex geometric shapes in the image you showed me aren't necessarily there, but could just as easily be "read in" to the figure.

And btw, when you try to imply that what is logical is untrue, and what is illogical is true, and that those following logic are really slaves to some alien demigod, it doesn't help your case. It only reveals your lack of one.

 

lol dude youve lost it.

What Bias is there in geometric fact?

 

Nimrod,

the geometric fact is that complex geometric figures can be overlayed on simple ones. All you've shown is the simple ones.

hellopeople,

Nimrod believes that all those who don't believe what he says are really slaves to an alien who came to the earth a long time ago. It really has nothing to do with Judaism.

 

I only suggested this. Since Judaism did not have that name till after the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah split, and transformed from the latter.

I just have prooved that the monotheism of Akhenaten was highly advanced even considered on modern day standards and was related to the monotheism of the Hebrews. Whether he started it, or adopted it and changed it. Or whether this was all truth taught in secret society schools in ancient times, kept away from the mass populace in order to keep them slaves to the upper class and practice worship rituals of the Sumerian Annunaki, speficially the god of war, vengeance, and submission, Enlil.

I have proposed, that Akhenaten wanted to reveal to the mass populace this hidden knowledge of basically modern Geometry, science, math, medicine, architecture, chemistry, etc. That were kept under wraps by the war dominated tribes at the time. Mainly to keep it from being destroyed, and their books being burned which eventually happened anyway.

The main populace and priesthoods of Babylon and Egypt were worshipping this slave master god. Im linking Judaism with this god, only masked by the true monotheism, of the cosmic radiance and heat and light power that was the aten. The thing that connects all life and was its origin in this galaxy. It is a perfect example of a mass mind control scheme. The people were used to worshipping the slave master god/alien. The gnostics referred to this as the demi-urge. The Sumerians as the annunaki. Physical alien beings that came from space, with an agenda to convert the neanderthal and homo erectus, into homo sapiens, for slave purposes. We then rebelled with the help of one according to the Babylonian accounts. Becoming Homo Sapiens Sapiens. They say Enki this rebel gave us all our knowledge and awakened us from as state of total dependance on these alien gods. What knowledge would there be to give? Why were the priesthoods so secret about their wisdom, and only taught the extremely wealthy or the elite people. Why did it take years of initation for them to pass through and understand? Why are there scientific truths that weren't even considered untill we had modern technology? Enough to know that all beings emit light photons showing an obvious light matrix making up the world.

Then the aliens left, we were left in a state of spiritual childhood which are still in. Yet we wouldn't be if the priesthood had not rebelled against the truths Akhenaten was trying to prove, and he thought that it was time for humanity to be united with the tree of life. The thing in the bible that would connect man with god. The second piece of the puzzle, after the awakening of our sense to a new reality.

Read the posts for in depth issues on certain points Im not gonna summarize the whole thing.

Dauer,
You are obviously stuck on the fact that history has labelled him a Heretic. Yet what if his way succeeded it would be obviously different.

What if the Nazis had won the war? Would Hitler be looked at as a heretic evil man? Or a national hero?

Even though Akhenaten preached a state wide ethics code of non-violence and only truth as your key to being initiated into the truth of the universe, and real divination methoids that unite you with this intelligent radiance of aten, and at least on a biological method provide some kind of learning experience to come out enlightened from, to the average person.

Again stuck on the heretic aspect, how could humanity be run without at least one central ruler or ruling family? He was only saying he mimicked the operation of the sun and galaxy. One leader, holding the rest of the planets in orbit. You follow his orders, you worship only the aten. He was the atens representative on earth, you worshipped the aten spiritually, yet physically through him. How else could a society be run? It had to have some form of obedience.

 

The only thing you can really say against Akhenaten. Is that the priesthood were actually good like the star wars metaphor being the Jedi vs the Sith.

Maybe the priests knew it was too early for man to be revelaed these concepts and truths given to them by the alien Enki, to free yourself from the slavery to the alien Enlil, and show the true thing that can be worshipped as "god". So then you could say Akhenaten was a sith, and wanted it all for himself and thought humanity was ready, and he was just destroying a positive tradition of the Jedi/priests.

Maybe he did want to rule it all himself, but that doesn't go with his code of non-violence, and no such thing as a military aspect for his creation. Who knows that once humans evolved a little and after his death, the ruling class would even be there at all? Maybe he was the father of theistic communism? Whatever the case it is undoubtable and their must be a connection between this Pharoah, and the splurge of destruction for almost 3000 years untill about the 1500s, of this monotheistic god concept and its terrible impact on the western world.

We went full circle, back to knowledge we already had. We had to destroy most of the planet in doing so. When we had it all there ready, but the priestood and wealthy elite, by human nature would not join the populace, because since birth they were told the great lie of all civilization they were BETTER than the rest of people. They were the "CHOSEN" ones not to suffer and work labor jobs that was needed before machines.

What better of a counteraction than to create the idea of a "chosen people to suffer" masked in atenism, still worshipping the native gods, recognizing the vengefull as the god as the only one worthy of worship because of a "covenant" that he will save them if they suffer. What could've been a better idea for a revolution in society at the time?

 

Nimrod,

You did not ever prove that Akhenaten's monotheism was related to the monotheism of the Hebrews. As I believe you may have admitted once, there are many other theories that could work that do not link Jewish monotheism to Egypt.

And no, I don't worry that Akhenaten was labelled a heretic. I really don't care what he was labelled. I also don't think of Shabbetai Tzvi as just some false messiah. I see his particular case as more complicated. Do you think that just because I don't go along with what you say as if it's directly from God that I must have something against Akhenaten?

And you keep asserting facts about Akhenaten which you have yet to give proof of.

Why do either the priests or Akhenaten have to be good? A politician is a politician.

How do you know? Henotheism evolved in semitic cultures, long before most scholars would credit Jews with monotheism. Do you find it hard to believe that more than one society could come to the conclusion of monotheism on its own?

According to Judaism, a person who is wealthy or a person who is a priest is no better than a person who is not.

What do you mean by "chosen to suffer?" This concept does not appear in Judaism.