After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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    Written or verbal threats to kill or do bodily harm is a felony. Here's something to help you see how this kind of thing works. Let me know if you need more examples; there are plenty. And in case you're tempted to fall back on the "general threat" argument, consider that a threat against a crowd is a terrorist threat. A school is such a crowd.

    According to a report released by the Warren-based State Police, around 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday, March 6, PSP Warren Troopers responded to the Sheffield Area Middle High School to investigate a verbal threat which was made by a known juvenile male indicating he would “shoot up the school.” As troopers arrived on the scene, the threat was assessed and thoroughly investigated.

    The juvenile was taken into custody, while a juvenile petition was being prepared to charge him with third-degree felony Terroristic Threats     . . .

    http://explorevenango.com/breaking-...-shoot-up-the-school-in-sheffield-and-warren/

    And here is what an investigation of Cruz would have uncovered:

    Fla. shooting suspect had a history of explosive anger, depression, killing animals
     
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    But we should probably get back on topic. One of the proposals for gun control is to ban the AR-15. Here is a list of mass shootings that show that, aside from the Las Vegas shooting in which a guy used 20 semiautomatic rifles with bump stocks, the number of deaths from AR-15s is not much more impressive as the ones from pistols and shotguns.

    Here:

    Las Vegas: Twenty-two semi-automatic rifles (58 killed).
    San Francisco UPS shooting: two pistols (3 killed).
    Orange County, Florida: pistol (5 killed).
    Fort Lauderdale, Florida: pistol (5 killed).
    Burlington, Washington: Semi-automatic rifle (5 killed).
    Orlando, Florida: Sig Sauer semi-automatic rifle and pistol (49 killed).
    San Bernardino, California: Two semi-automatic rifles and two pistols (14 killed.
    Colorado Springs, Colorado: Semi-automatic rifle (3 killed).
    Umpqua Community College: Five pistols (9 killed.
    Chattanooga, Tennessee: Semi-automatic rifle, pistol, and shotgun (5 killed).
    Charleston, South Carolina: Pistol (9 killed).
    Isla Vista, California: Three pistols and two knives (6 killed).
    Fort Hood, Texas: Two pistols (3 killed).
    Washington, D.C.: Shotgun and pistol (12 killed).
    Santa Monica, California: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (5 killed).
    Newtown, Connecticut: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (27 killed).
    Brookfield, Wisconsin: Pistol (3 killed).
    Minneapolis, Minnesota: Pistol (6 killed).
    Oak Creek, Wisconsin: Pistol (6 killed).
    Aurora, Colorado: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (12 killed).
    Oakland, California: Pistol (7 killed).
    Seal Beach, California: Three pistols (8 killed.
    Tuscon, Arizona: Pistol (6 killed).
    Manchester, Connecticut: Pistol (8 killed).
    Huntsville, Alabama: Pistol (3 killed).
    Fort Hood, Texas: Pistol (13 killed).
    Binghamton, New York: Two pistols (13 killed).
    Dekalb, Illinois: One shotgun and three pistols (5 killed).
    Omaho, Nebraska: Semi-automatic rifle (8 killed).
    Blacksburg, Virginia: Two pistols (32 killed).
    Salt Lake City, Utah: One shotgun and one pistol (5 killed).
    Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania: One shotgun, one pistol, and one bolt-action rifle (5 killed).
    Golita, California: Pistol (6 killed).
    Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minnesota: One shotgun and two pistols (9 killed).
    Meridian Mississippi: One shotgun and one semi-automatic rifle (5 killed).
    Wakefield, Massachusetts: Semi-automatic rifle, shotgun, and pistol (7 killed).
    Honolulu, Hawaii: Pistol (7 killed).
    Fort Worth, Texas: Two pistols (7 killed).
    Atlanta, Georgia: Four pistols and one hammer (9 killed).
    Columbine, Colorado: One semi-automatic rifle and one shotgun (13 killed).
    Jonesboro, Arkansas: Three semi-automatic rifles (5 killed).
    Garden City, New York: Pistol (6 killed).
    San Francisco, California: Three pistols (8 killed).
    Olivehurst, California: One shotgun and one .22 rifle (4 killed).
    Iowa City, Iowa: Pistol (4 killed).
    Killeen, Texas: Two pistols (22 killed).
    Jacksonville, Florida: One semi-automatic rifle and one pistol (10 killed).
    Stockton, California: One semi-automatic rifle and one pistol (5 killed).
    Edmon, Oklahoma: Three pistols (14 killed).
    San Ysidro, California: One pistol, one semi-automatic rifle, and one shotgun (21 killed).
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    Of those 50 incidents, 18 involved semiautomatic rifles. Of those 18 incidents, twelve involved shotguns and pistols along with the semiautomatic rifles, and six of those incidents resulted in more than ten deaths.

    Of the incidents involving handguns, six resulted in more than ten deaths.
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    So what other proposals do you have in mind?
     
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    "Theats" requires a specific expressed target, not just a general aspiration to be a school shooter.
    Without a statement of imminent violence againt a specific school, no threat.


    Yes, a threat was made to use violence against a specific school.
    Explosive anger and depression isn't enough for an arrest. Killing animals might be actionable under animal cruelty laws, depending on how and when the killing was done. Hunters kill animals. And there are statutes of limitations. Animal cruelty isn't a federal offense, so the role of the FBI would be tenuous, and hardly the basis for any "terrorist" charges.
     
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    That is not entirely true...

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    This is one statement, not two or more. Note the use of commas as opposed to a period separating it into two or more parts... It's not an ala carte menu where you get to pick the parts you like and ignore the rest of it. The second amendment, as written, only gives rights to the members of a well regulated Militia.


    Just so we are clear, in modern times the State Militias have been replaced by the National Guard... A Militia is not a bunch of guys running around in camo's playing Rambo on the weekend.
     
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    You make a good case for broadening the scope of gun regulation. But--one more time--the AR15 has a killing efficiency that some of the other weapons don't have. If that is not the case, then lets subject the others to regulation, as well.
     
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    An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5]
    1. ""Assault rifle." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2010. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 3 July 2010". Britannica.com. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
    2. ^ Jump up to:a b C. Taylor The Fighting Rifle: A Complete Study of the Rifle in Combat, ISBN 0-87947-308-8
    3. ^ Jump up to:a b F.A. Moyer Special Forces Foreign Weapons Handbook, ISBN 0-87364-009-8
    4. ^ Jump up to:a b R.J. Scroggie, F.A. Moyer Special Forces Combat Firing Techniques, ISBN 0-87364-010-1
    5. ^ Jump up to:a b Musgave, Daniel D., and Thomas B. Nelson, The World's Assault Rifles, vol. II, The Goetz Company, Washington, D.C. (1967): 1

    The term assault rifle is generally attributed to Adolf Hitler, who for propaganda purposes used the German word "Sturmgewehr" (which translates to "storm rifle" or "assault rifle"), as the new name for the MP43, subsequently known as the Sturmgewehr 44 or StG 44.[6][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] However, other sources dispute that Hitler had much to do with coining the new name besides signing the production order.[15] The StG 44 is generally considered the first selective fire military rifle to popularize the assault rifle concept.[6][8] Today, the term assault rifle is used to define firearms sharing the same basic characteristics as the StG 44.[6][8]
    1. Firearms: The Life Story of a Technology. by Roger Pauly. Greenwood Publishing Group. 2004. page 145 & 146
    2. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e f Jane's Guns Recognition Guide, Ian Hogg & Terry Gander, HarperCollins Publisher, 2005, p.287 Sturmgewehr 44 "This is the father of all assault rifles, developed in Germany in 1941–42 an using a new short cartridge. Originally known as the MP 43 (Machine Pistol) for Nazi political reasons, it was renamed the "Sturmgewehr 44" after its successful introduction into battle on the Eastern Front. It introduced the concept of using a short cartridge with limited range in order to permit controllable automatic fire and a compact weapon, and because experience showed that most rifle fire was conducted at ranges under 400 meters. After the war it was examined and dissected by almost every major gunmaking nation and led, in one way and another, to the present-day 5.56mm assault rifles."
    3. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u A Brief History of the Assault Rifle The Atlantic. A Brief History of the Assault Rifle. The gun’s name may have been coined by Adolf Hitler. by MICHAEL SHURKIN. JUN 30, 2016
    4. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e f "Machine Carbine Promoted: MP43 Is Now Assault Rifle StG44, WWII Tactical and Technical Trends, No. 57, April 1945". Lone Sentry. 2007-05-10. Retrieved 2012-08-23.
    5. Jump up^ Musgave, Daniel D., and Thomas B. Nelson, The World's Assault Rifles, vol. II, The Goetz Company, Washington, D.C. (1967)
    6. Jump up^ Myatt, Major Frederic, Modern Small Arms, Crescent Books, New York (1978): 169
    7. Jump up^ Hogg, Ivan, and John Weeks, Military Small Arms of the 20th Century, third ed., Hippocrene Books, New York (1977): 159
    8. Jump up^ Chris Bishop, The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II, Sterling Publishing Company, Inc., 2002, p. 218
    9. Jump up^ Military Small Arms of the 20th Century, 7th Edition, Ian V. Hogg, page 243
    10. Jump up^ Rottman, Gordon. The AK-47: Kalashnikov-series assault rifles. Osprey Publishing. p. 9. ISBN 978-1-84908-835-0.
    11. Jump up^ "US Army intelligence document FSTC-CW-07-03-70, November 1970". Gunfax.com. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
    12. Hogg, Ivan, and John Weeks, Military Small Arms of the 20th Century, third ed., Hippocrene Books, New York (1977): 159
    13. Jump up^ Chris Bishop, The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II, Sterling Publishing Company, Inc., 2002, p. 218
    14. Jump up^ Military Small Arms of the 20th Century, 7th Edition, Ian V. Hogg, page 243
    15. Jump up^ Rottman, Gordon. The AK-47: Kalashnikov-series assault rifles. Osprey Publishing. p. 9. ISBN 978-1-84908-835-0.
    16. Jump up^ "US Army intelligence document FSTC-CW-07-03-70, November 1970". Gunfax.com. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
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    The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[16] In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

    Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.

    For example:

    • Select-fire M2 Carbines are not assault rifles; their effective range is only 200 yards.[17]
    • Select-fire rifles such as the FN FAL battle rifle are not assault rifles; they fire full-powered rifle cartridges.
    • Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.
    • Semi-automatic-only rifles with fixed magazines like the SKS are not assault rifles; they do not have detachable box magazines and are not capable of automatic fire.
     
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    Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[1][2] Some firearms are specified by name.[3] At the time that the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban passed in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."[3] The origin of the term has been attributed to legislators, gun control groups, the media, and the firearms industryitself.[1][4][5][6]
    1. Goode, Erica (January 16, 2013). "Even Defining 'Assault Rifles' Is Complicated". The New York Times. Retrieved January 18, 2013.
    2. ^ Jump up to:a b Babay, Emily (December 22, 2012). "Confusion abounds: Just what is an 'assault weapon'?". Philadelphia Media Network. Retrieved December 28, 2012.
    3. ^ Jump up to:a b c Levs, Josh (January 31, 2013). "Loaded language poisons gun debate". CNN. Retrieved January 31, 2013.
    4. ^ Jump up to:a b Tartaro, Joseph P. (1995). "The Great Assault Weapon Hoax". University of Dayton Law Review Symposium, Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, vol. 20, no. 2, 1995: 557. Archived from the original on January 2, 2013. Retrieved January 3,2013.
    5. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e Blake, Aaron (January 17, 2013). "Is It Fair to Call Them 'Assault Weapons'?". The Washington Post. Retrieved January 19, 2013.
    6. ^ Jump up to:a b Kauffman, Matthew (December 18, 2012). "In State With 'Assault Weapons' Ban, Lanza's Rifle Still Legal". Courant. Hartford, Connecticut. Retrieved January 2, 2013. The term 'assault weapon,' as used by the media, is a media invention. These are semi-automatic firearms that have military cosmetic characteristics. They look like our military firearms, but they're not.
    Drawing from federal and state law definitions, the term assault weapon refers primarily to semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns that are able to accept detachable magazines and possess one or more other features.[2][9][10] Some jurisdictions define revolving cylinder shotguns as assault weapons.[11][12] Legislative definitions do not include fully automatic weapons, which are regulated separately as Title II weapons under federal law.[13][n 1] A key defining law was the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994.[13] At that time, the United States Department of Justice said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."[3]

    Common attributes used in legislative definitions of assault weapons include:

    Dictionary definitions vary from legal definitions. Dictionary.com defines "assault weapon" as "any of various automatic and semiautomatic military firearms utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge, designed for individual use."[16] Merriam-Webster's online definition is "any of various automatic or semiautomatic firearms; especially: assault rifle."[17]

    2.^ Jump up to:a b Babay, Emily (December 22, 2012). "Confusion abounds: Just what is an 'assault weapon'?". Philadelphia Media Network. Retrieved December 28, 2012.
    3. Levs, Josh (January 31, 2013). "Loaded language poisons gun debate". CNN. Retrieved January 31, 2013.
    9. "Banning Assault Weapons: A Legal Primer for State and Local Action"(PDF). Legal Community Against Violence. April 2004. Retrieved December 27,2012. Assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms designed with military features to allow rapid and accurate spray firing.
    10.^ Jump up to:a b c d e Koerner, Brendan (September 16, 2004). "What Is an Assault Weapon? At last, you can get a semiautomatic rifle with a bayonet". Slate. Retrieved January 26, 2013.
    11.^ Jump up to:a b "Senate Bill 23 Assault Weapon Characteristics". oag.ca.gov. California DOJ. 2000. Retrieved January 23, 2015.
    12.^ Jump up to:a b "Assault weapon". State of Connecticut Judicial Branch. Retrieved December 29, 2012.
    13.^ Jump up to:a b c d e f g h i j k 103rd Congress (1994). "Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, H.R.3355" (PDF). Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office. pp. 201–15. Retrieved January 27, 2013.
    15. Adams, Bob (November 12, 2004). "Gun Control Debate". CQ Researcher. CQ Press. 14 (40): 949–72. Retrieved December 3, 2013.
     
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    Again and again courts have disagreed with your interpretation.

    The Second Amendment : Understanding those 27 words - CNNPolitics

     
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    I'm just stating what it says, as written, it's not my interpretation at all.


    Which brings up another point. There are a whole bunch of people that think the constitution and it's amendments are gospel as they are written unless a different "interpretation" makes their argument better.
     
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    The lawyers, judges and Constitution experts in the link disagree with you about what it says as written.
     
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    Sorry, but after the tip from the person who knew Cruz, his identity and location was known. You actually believe that the FBI had no obligation to go see the guy and talk to him about his expressed intentions because he didn't mention which school? Okay. But the FBI itself disagrees with you. I don't know what your point is other than that you disagree with the FBI concerning their responsibilities according to proper protocol. I'm sure they appreciate your support, even though they disagree with your opinion.

    If you're so sure that saying what Cruz said will have as little consequence as a simple prank call, then go ahead an try it yourself. Go on You Tube under your own name and say that you want to be a professional school shooter, and then instagram some pictures of your arsenal laid out on your bed under that same name, and see what happens. I'm sure you'll find that the FBI will not make the same mistake that they made in Cruz's case; you know, the case where they admitted to not doing the right thing.
     
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    Explain.
     
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    • Yeah, so like I said, the AR-15 is not an assault rifle. I think your problem is with magazine capacity. Is that right?
     
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    I've explained ad nauseum. Nine links worth. Go back and read them.
     
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    Round and round you go.

    I never said the AR 15 was an assault rifle.
    I said it's an assault weapon in many jurisdictions.

    Problems
    1. It shoots a .223 Caliber or 5.56 mm round at roughly 3,300 feet per second:
    2. It has an effective range of 1,300 feet, a Glock is effective to 160 feet.
    3. At Sandy Hook the shooter fired 150 rounds in less than five minutes.
    4. It can accept a 100 round drum.
    5. There's little recoil, anyone can shoot them.
    6. It's an open source platform, it can be easily modified to become even more lethal.
    7. It has a pronounced pistol grip.
    8. Most have a threaded barrel and or flash suppressor, sound suppressor or muzzle brake.
    9. They have or can receive barrel shrouds.
    10. They're cheap and readily available to most people over 18 years old.
    11. Many have collapsible stocks.
    12. It has no practical use in hunting that couldn't be achieved by another less lethal weapon not designed to specifically kill humans.
     
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    Yes I do think the FBI had an obligation to see the guy and talk to him. I've said numerous times that they had ample evidence to investigate. So did the local police who did show up and talk to him numerous times. Until there is evidence of a crime, though, there's no basis for an arrest or a felony charge-without the law enforcement officer committing a crime of false arrest and/or false imprisonment. Yes he does need to mention a specific time or location for that. They wouldn't disagree with my opinion because it's correct. If I made the comments on You Tube that you mentioned, I'd expect them to be at my door in a heartbeat, but if if they had no more evidence than that, they'd go away. I hope though they'd be keeping an eye on me. To me, the really puzzling, amazing, shocking thing is that an unstable nineteen year old could get his hands on all those weapons--legally!
     
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    This is their definition of an assault weapon: "a semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine, detachable or otherwise." What's their idea of a large capacity magazine? I mean, if they're going to ban something, they should at least define their terms.

    And from your link:

    It includes the AR-15 and its variants, which have been used in an overwhelming number of highly publicized mass shootings -- including February's attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

    Here is a list of mass shootings, including the weapons used and the number of casualties, which shows that the author of the article from your link is--for lack of a better term--full of shit.

    Las Vegas: Twenty-two semi-automatic rifles (58 killed).
    San Francisco UPS shooting: two pistols (3 killed).
    Orange County, Florida: pistol (5 killed).
    Fort Lauderdale, Florida: pistol (5 killed).
    Burlington, Washington: Semi-automatic rifle (5 killed).
    Orlando, Florida: Sig Sauer semi-automatic rifle and pistol (49 killed).
    San Bernardino, California: Two semi-automatic rifles and two pistols (14 killed.
    Colorado Springs, Colorado: Semi-automatic rifle (3 killed).
    Umpqua Community College: Five pistols (9 killed.
    Chattanooga, Tennessee: Semi-automatic rifle, pistol, and shotgun (5 killed).
    Charleston, South Carolina: Pistol (9 killed).
    Isla Vista, California: Three pistols and two knives (6 killed).
    Fort Hood, Texas: Two pistols (3 killed).
    Washington, D.C.: Shotgun and pistol (12 killed).
    Santa Monica, California: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (5 killed).
    Newtown, Connecticut: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (27 killed).
    Brookfield, Wisconsin: Pistol (3 killed).
    Minneapolis, Minnesota: Pistol (6 killed).
    Oak Creek, Wisconsin: Pistol (6 killed).
    Aurora, Colorado: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (12 killed).
    Oakland, California: Pistol (7 killed).
    Seal Beach, California: Three pistols (8 killed.
    Tuscon, Arizona: Pistol (6 killed).
    Manchester, Connecticut: Pistol (8 killed).
    Huntsville, Alabama: Pistol (3 killed).
    Fort Hood, Texas: Pistol (13 killed).
    Binghamton, New York: Two pistols (13 killed).
    Dekalb, Illinois: One shotgun and three pistols (5 killed).
    Omaho, Nebraska: Semi-automatic rifle (8 killed).
    Blacksburg, Virginia: Two pistols (32 killed).
    Salt Lake City, Utah: One shotgun and one pistol (5 killed).
    Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania: One shotgun, one pistol, and one bolt-action rifle (5 killed).
    Golita, California: Pistol (6 killed).
    Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minnesota: One shotgun and two pistols (9 killed).
    Meridian Mississippi: One shotgun and one semi-automatic rifle (5 killed).
    Wakefield, Massachusetts: Semi-automatic rifle, shotgun, and pistol (7 killed).
    Honolulu, Hawaii: Pistol (7 killed).
    Fort Worth, Texas: Two pistols (7 killed).
    Atlanta, Georgia: Four pistols and one hammer (9 killed).
    Columbine, Colorado: One semi-automatic rifle and one shotgun (13 killed).
    Jonesboro, Arkansas: Three semi-automatic rifles (5 killed).
    Garden City, New York: Pistol (6 killed).
    San Francisco, California: Three pistols (8 killed).
    Olivehurst, California: One shotgun and one .22 rifle (4 killed).
    Iowa City, Iowa: Pistol (4 killed).
    Killeen, Texas: Two pistols (22 killed).
    Jacksonville, Florida: One semi-automatic rifle and one pistol (10 killed).
    Stockton, California: One semi-automatic rifle and one pistol (5 killed).
    Edmon, Oklahoma: Three pistols (14 killed).
    San Ysidro, California: One pistol, one semi-automatic rifle, and one shotgun (21 killed).


    Of those 50 incidents, 18 involved semiautomatic rifles. Of those 18 incidents, twelve involved shotguns and pistols along with the semiautomatic rifles, and only six of those incidents resulted in more than ten deaths.

    Of the incidents involving handguns only, six resulted in more than ten deaths.
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    "Overwhelming number of mass shooting? Why would the author fabricate such a thing? And more importantly, why do people just accept such things and then offer them up as proof of something without verifying the accuracy of it?
     
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    On this you are correct. And the FBI admits as much. However, you make the assumption that their investigation wouldn't uncover Cuz's history--that they wouldn't interview school officials and neighbors and mental health clinic personnel in order to assess his character as unstable. And from the Washington Post article I provided, it is clear that they would have had ample reason to take his guns away. That's the price of saying you're going to be a professional school shooter and posting pictures of the weapons you have to carry out that threat.

    As far as not knowing what school he had in mind, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he was probably talking about his school.
     
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    The ban uses the same language as the Highland Park, Illinois ordinance which was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court's refusal to challenge in 2015.

    It "prohibits the sale, purchase or possession of semi-automatic weapons that can hold more than 10 rounds in a magazine. It also bans semi-automatics equipped with a folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock; a shroud attached to the barrel; a muzzle brake or muzzle compensator; a protruding pistol grip; or a pistol grip with a stock attached. It also prohibits the sale and possession of magazines that fire more than 10 rounds.

     
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