After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

TA

Which proposals have been unconstitutional?

LOL – many read the gun threads you’ll find them.

Oh you and your impregnable position

Sorry man but you come across as a rather immature 15 year old all raging testosterone and bum fluff beard boosting in the playground about all the girls he’s shagged to desperately try and convince people he isn’t a virgin.

Honestly pull back on the whole ‘me big man’ routine and people might take you a bit more seriously.[/quote]

 

Sorry but you sound like someone that has never lived in the real world. Have you ever spoken to any soldiers, they don’t go into battle thinking they are going to be killed they play that possibility down and big up the hope- the expectation -they are going to live. In the same way someone planning to commit a crime doesn’t believe they are going to be caught so having the gun or not wouldn’t come into the equation.

For others that act out of sudden impulse might not be think straight where the easy access to a lethal weapon can for instance turn a domestic dispute into a tragedy, where a black eye is replaced with a hole in the head.

Also as anyone that has experience life knows you don’t always have control over circumstances and that give the right circumstances you might have to make decisions your prefer not to.

If my child was in hospital and needed an operation that would save her life but cost £10,000 and due to no fault of my own I have no savings and live like many from one pay cheque to pay cheque although I work two jobs and work hard and so the only way to get the money was to commit a crime with a gun, then I’d do it. I think many fathers would, maybe you wouldn’t.

But I don’t have to due to circumstances - I wasn’t born into poverty, I had a good publically education and live in a country with universal healthcare.

 

Assault weapons bans for starters.

That is incorrect. There are no criticisms of my position that I have failed to address.

Your failure to damage my position with any of your arguments speaks for itself.

 

A higher poverty rate does indeed beget a higher crime rate.

 

Already covered can you please address the outstanding criticisms of your viewpoint

 

I didn't realize I was discussing this with someone who has zero experience regarding the freedoms and responsibilities that come with being an American citizen. Have all the opinion you'd like on this subject, but until they matter even a little bit to my way of life, I won't be considering them anymore. Please don't take this as me dismissing you entirely, but only in regards to my freedoms and rights as an American citizen. You don't have any idea what it really means.

This is directed at balbus, I forgot the quote.

 

mcme

Sorry empty rhetoric that address none of the outstanding criticisms levelled of your stance

 

There are no outstanding criticisms of my viewpoint.

 

That was a realisation on my part, not rhetoric. What you call outstanding criticism of my stance are only other's opinions, and my constitution allows them to be spoken. They have no affect on my rights. They can't be voted away. Only with good justification can they be amended, not because more than me wants it. The rights of one person are more important over here than the opinion of many.

 

LOL ok so you can’t address the criticism of your view which is fine – but what is rational or reasonable to hold onto views you can’t defend from valid criticisms?

 

Balbus, your criticism is valid to you because they reflect your formed opinion. I've learned that trying to change someone else's is mostly futile. My formed opinions are mine, and if you disagree, I could try until time stopped and still no defense would be valid. Amend my rights, then you've won. Until then were going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.

 

But while i can and have defended my views from criticism you seem unable to do so - which is why i ask why you still hold on to them?

 

Yes, such intransigence, to a level heretofore unseen. And Obamacare figured in it during all eight years. There could be no legislative agenda, because Republican intransigence was open and notorious. No intransigence is Republican fake news to cover up their obstructionism.

You may fool some of the people some of the time with those whoppers, but you can't fool me.

Enjoy your alternate universe while it lasts! The fogies who support the NRA are pretty much contained within the Trump base--5 million members, 9 million additional sympathizers in all--not chopped liver, but hardly a majority. Times they are a changin' . When the fogies die of and Trump and the Republicans are a distant bad memory, it'll be a different country--for the better!.

 

Truly delusional!

 

Just like I haven't defended mine to you, you haven't to me. And my views on why I would like any particular firearm vs. another aren't important while it's my right. Criticizing owning another human ended slavery, criticizing women not being able to vote stopped that. Until your criticism can affect my right to keep firearms, it's only your undefended opinion.

 

But you wouldn't commit the crime if you couldn't get your hands on a gun?

 

That is incorrect. The Republican leadership tried to work with Obama in his first term and even struck a deal with him. The deal fell through because Obama gave in to leftist extremists and reneged on it.

That Obama wasted his second term's political capital attacking the NRA is a matter of recorded history.

If you wish to deny history that is your right, but in my opinion it seems kind of foolish. History certainly isn't going to change and become something else.

Waste all of your energy if you like. It's your energy. Just don't complain when you have nothing to show for your wasted effort.

Well I guess you have the right to complain too. But don't expect much sympathy if you foolishly waste all your energy without achieving anything.

No. I have indeed addressed all criticisms of my position.

 

Bullshit!

What history books are you reading/ The Fox and Friends Alternative History of the USA?

The fight for human lives is never wasted energy.

You may have addressed them, but your lame responses don't impress. Don't bother replying, because speaking of wasted energy, I can't think of a better example than continuing to deal with your B.S.

 

Okay, so you don't want insane people or violent felons to be able to get ahold of a gun. What else do you want?

 

Fish and seafood are meats.