After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

They probably do commit more crimes. They probably get called ****** more often also. They probably get frozen out of buying houses more often. Rentals also. And jobs. When a people start out on the very bottom and remain that way, it's to be expected
that many will just give up and do crimes. If their skins weren't black--they'd have a hell of a lot better chance in this society. But I'm sure Mr genius Blump has plans to help ---he said he would. And we all know he's a straight shooter, for sure. It's obvious that to some people--black folks are useless--born that way--so let's just keep them down there on the bottom---it makes so many white folks feel better about themselves.

 

1 in a 180 million. The total number of gun homicides roughly 12,000 in a population of 300 million with 400 million known guns in the hands of private citizens. BTW, your anecdote doesn't dispel a statistic. There's a man that won the lootery twice. Doesn't mean there's a high chance of you winning it.

 

I agree. However we we're all young and dumb at one point. I thankfully never had any run ins with the law but there are people who did something dumb in the past and paid his debt to society for something rather small. I don't think that person should be barred from owning a firearm unless it was a violent crime he did.

Again I agree.

Again, if it's something violent or repetitive then I can u derstand where you're coming from. However barring someone from ever owning a firearm because when he was 18 he was caught stealing a shirt he liked is in my opinion a bit harsh.

 

Such irony. You suggest that it is somehow "illogical" to try to prevent murder by gun control if we don't control illegal aliens. That assumes that illegal aliens are a major cause of murder in schools, or that we would be better off prioritizing action against illegal aliens instead of trying to prevent the murder of school children. But we are already working on combating MP13 and other dangerous gangs. It seems unlikely that we would be diverting resources from that by trying to close loopholes in the gun laws that allow nuts and kids to get assault weapons. we can try to address one problem without addressing them all. As Spock would say:So that's the kind of "assume" that makes an ass of you and me. "Most illogical."

 

At the risk of stating the obvious, the relationship between school shootings and murders in Chicago is specious. The school shootings have been mostly a result of nuts and kids getting their hands on assault weapons. It doesn't seem beyond the capacity of lawmakers to tighten controls on that--but they won't, because the NRA won't allow it. Chicago is a city in a state in a country. Chicago can have the toughest gun control ordinances in the world, but if thugs can drive to a neighboring city or state and obtain guns, the municipal law will be ineffective. Therefore, the legislation has to be national. And the Chicago shootings are gang and drug related. Controlling those is a challenging problem. But just because we have one kind of problem in one part of the country doesn't mean we should give up trying to solve other problems in other parts of the country or the country as a whole.

 

This is problematic. Politicians, however, do rely on votes. And the sooner there are more voters signing petitions, writing on message boards, talking to their representatives, and even raising awareness in their communities (which is a pain in the ass!) the sooner we will see something on a ballot. The NRA wants its cake and eat it too. You can't have guns without gun control.

 

I wrote my senators and representatives today to advise them I will not be casting votes for anyone who accepts money from the NRA and anyone who doesn't include gun control as part of their platform

As always I feel its probably a futile effort because I'm in the minority in my state

But i've been feeling optimistic after seeing some right leaning gun owners suggest that it is finally time for gun control. Maybe the tide is turning.

So I figured, futile or not, I may as well let them know where I stand. If enough people put pressure on them, they'll feel it .





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either alone is likely to be insufficient.
there are many good solutions that have worked in many places.
australia, switzerland, among other examples.

the culture is the big problem, the culture of aggressiveness, self importance, epicness and so on.
censorship tends to achieve the exact opposite of what it intends.

but reducing the mass production of military style small arms, getting them out of mass market venues like wall mart,
these are things that can reduce the number in circulation, which will reduce the number in the wrong hands by simply reducing the total number to fall into any hands.

and people could still be allowed to posses anything they could learn how to make themselves.
this would be a tiny part of the current problem.
which comes from the whole economics uber alis which is at the root of it.

and yes of course you can still kill someone with a sword or an ax. just not by the tens and hundreds at a time. so to say it wouldn't solve anything to reduce lethality of the less then sane, is a bit of a nonsequiter.

 

I found this little gem by googling around... https://www.csgv.org/issues-archive/insurrectionism-timeline/
Basically, this site takes issue with the NRA and overt gun advocates because they are insurrectionists. Here is an example:

It's just a list, but it's somewhat telling of the issues at play. It isn't the at and mouse you see between Macabee on our site and his fans. Theirs a lot of blood on their hands.

It's looking more like the gun nuts are the ones we have to watch out for. They feel like they have a right to take over the government, which is insurrection. It isn't just one or two people mouthing off. There is a culture of ... I don't know what to call it.

 

(Stealing shirt case v)
If an 18 year old is charged with stealing $100+ shirt too bad. Sorry, maybe something can get worked out with the judge and counsel to pay a huge fine (10x the cost of the retail shirt would suffice)or in addition to, community service (250 hours), and have the misdemeanor expunged off their record. Alot of cost and hassle but if the 18 year old wants a gun so bad...... jump through many hoops and learn a life long lesson then.
(^ Stealing shirt case example only)
Misdemeanor stalkers can stay misdemeanor stalkers... no deals


My law change to include misdemeanors with felonies accomplishes three things

1. Less legal ownership
(Only citizens without misdemeanors or felonies can purchase or possess)

And with less legal ownership comes...

2. Less retail sales
(Gun shop closures)

And with less retail sales comes......

3. Less manufacturing
(The Black Rifle assembly line on snail speed)

OFF TOPIC:

Stupid stuff people do could effect their life forever. Tough.

You get charged with misdemeanor theft....sorry your dreams of being any kind of law enforcement are most likely over.
You get charged with doing drugs.....sorry your dreams of being a commercial or military pilot are possibly over.......
You get charged at 18 years old having consensual sex with a 16 year old.......sorry your dreams of becoming a teacher are definitely over.
Yadda yadda yadda...
Dont get me started on being party to a crime....

Sorry....
BACK ON TOPIC:

All those misdemeanor citizen's kicking their feet in the dirt cause they can't have a gun will probably get one illegally, and become a true non-law abiding citizen...... and then will be charged as a felon. To bad.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, this was what an American looks like.

 

You wish. Well, I wish more Americans were like Meliai.

 

Just outlaw the damn combat weapons already. There's absolutely NO WAY a well armed militia is going to defeat the US military. These fools are dreamers , at best. If it's necessary, lock the school doors and post an armed guard to protect the children. Not some flunky security guard--an "off duty" cop.

 

So you just debunked your own theory.

Pffft.

 

Lots of people do. Like school kids. Until they don't.

 

Most people still don't carry a gun and feel safe. In most places (yes, even America lol) they feel safe too.
If one doesn't live or come near a bad area and feels unsafe without carrying a gun in public they may have some issues.

 

i aint never gon feel save without ma gun in my pocket doesnt matter where america europa africa

 

im laughin at my own joke