After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

If there are as an example 57,000,000 armed homes and they represented the malitia. How would you propose the government could win. If they decided to liquidate the citizens of 57,000,000 homes, how would that go over with the other millions of citizens witnessing that?

There would be no government left if they decide to kill 57,000,000 law abiding citizens meant to have the ability to defend themselves. On a smaller scale 200+ years ago that was the intent of the 2nd.

And I'm 200 times more convinced now that the right to be able to bear arms is as much needed now as before. But now it even more an ingredient of protection from civil discourse as well.

 

I think that when people see our young, innocent children slaughtered year after year, that the light might go on for reasonable folks, that AR15s and other combat weapons are NOT necessary for anything other than for killing humans. So what do you use your heavy weaponry for, if you have such? How would your life be diminished if these killing machines were outlawed? You( in general) can still hunt. You can still go to gun ranges. The government is not going to eliminate or liquidate , as you put it, citizens because they have guns--that's about as specious a statement as I've heard. Ridiculous actually. Thinking,caring,aware people SHOULD----SHOULD --see that eliminating weapons of war from our society would be a decent and caring thing to do. So your point must be (I surmise) that it's fine to keep these weapons available because------? Do you have children? Grand children? Just wondering.

 

You started the well armed malitia comment not me. The basic premise of the 2nd Amendment was to protect ourselves from a tyrannical govt.

While I agree that this amendment has been prostituted to a huge extent, at it's core I am a firm believer that it's needed. My govt is more a tyrannical one than it was 200 years ago.

No then who labels what an assault weapon? Do I need an AR15? Nope. No reasonable person should think it's necessary. But I can have a rifle used and sold to hunt deer. Looks nothing like an AR15. However it has the ability to cut a human being in half and they have magazine capacities to do so to a number of them. So when do we say OK now that deer rifle is an assault weapon. An "Assault" weapon becomes an assault weapon when it's used in an assault. Outlaw deer rifles and they will use whatever they can to commit an assault.

You can try and play the why don't I care more for kids song if you like. I'd like to think if I were armed and someone was going to kill your child, and I had a chance to stop it, I'd hope you'd find that acceptable if I did so.

Look I am in no way saying we don't need change to the access and ability to own guns. We absolutely do.

But if my govt tells me the only acceptable weapon to own to protect myself from them or the rising civil conflicts we face, is a black powder musket loader yeah I'm gonna say fuck you.

 

Do folks use AR15s to hunt deer? My family has guns. We target shoot and do not hunt. Personal choice, that. But I think you are way off thinking that how ever many guns people have, that they would be a match for a tyrannical government. If I thought the government was dead serious on taking control over us citizens---we wouldn't stand a chance against them. 200 years ago--yes. A hundred--maybe. Now --zero. I don't mean to insult you---I get your point, but SOMETHING has to be done now. I think those kids from the latest shooting might get something done by shaming those that take all the money from the NRA and won't let ANY bill, however weak, come to the floor for a vote.
I don't worry about the military--I worry about the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of gang members that are armed. It's a hell of a problem, but if chaos ensues, we have guns. ( in my opinion, chaos is not that far away, what with recent developments in our government, so in a way we sort of agree that some weaponry MIGHT be needed in the event government breaks down. But I'm not obsessing over it--I'll be dead more than likely before everything turns to dookey.)

 

What combat arms are you talking about? The 1911, the Berreta M9, the Colt Peacemaker, the M1 Carbine, the M1 Garand, the Remington 700, the Remington 870, or the Mossberg 590? As for fending off the US military, two things:

1. We are still fighting a war with poor shepards with AKs. If they had no chance then they would've been wiped out by now.

2. The majority of military and law enforcement are right of center at the very least. A large majority of them are at least pro gun to some capacity. And finally there is still a good majority that will refuse to fure upon their own countrymen to confscate firearms.

 

How so?

 

What the NRA Doesn't Want You to Know

 

I don't disagree that we have been well past the time of change. But when we are dealing with constitutional rights, making a change won't take a week, or a month and you will have plenty of scholars that will argue it for years.

I have been a proponent of gun controls for decades. But it isn't as simple as saying ban an AR15. Clinton wanted to ban anything over 6 rounds. That got defeated . And as you pointed out there are how many bad guys with illegal access already. If you assured me you would round up and put to death all of them, I'll then consider handing over my weapon.

But yes I have been an employee of our government. I have seen first hand what they are capable of. And I'm sorry but a pretty strong defense is in fact armed citizens. If you have the notion that they will treat us more civilly be being unarmed, I'm going to be on the side that disagrees with you.

And yeah I agree when I see opponents to our president use terms that he should be killed, it won't take much of a leap for them to say.....and anyone else we think might support him. When I watch a sitting president embolden riots, I ain't likely to say....here ya go I'm no longer armed.

So nah I ain't handing over my ability to protect myself because somebody says they think I might oppose them politically.

 

5 arguments against gun control — and why they are all wrong
5 arguments against gun control — and why they are all wrong

 

Here’s the deal - if you’re happy with the current laws and law enforcement, then you’re okay with the school shootings. They are the price for our gun fetish freedoms. You can’t advocate no changes and expect a different outcome

 

Are you sure it's not due to the fact that blacks make up 50% of violent criminals while only being 13% of the population?

 

Oh you're gonna get fucked for saying that around here.

Doesn't matter if its the truth. Sorry buddy you're doomed now.

 

No I'm not. There is far too much illegal access to guns and illegal owners. We need to round them up and lock them up. Yeah the jails are gonna be overcrowded. So effin what. I'll vote in favor of whomever decides on that plan.

 

No deer hunting rifles are more powerful than AR-15s. Many come with 6 round magazines and there are plenty of aftermarket sources to buy much higher capacity mags. And no limit to how many you want to buy. All completely legal.

 

This shooting did not have anything to do with any black people....and I can't think of any black people that have shot up people in schools....or any serial murderers for that matter.

 

We know that

from Social Problems: Continuity and Change. but that is beside the point. My point was telling everyone that the NRA doesn't want you to know something.

 

It’s always always what’s white men. They are statistical the greatest threat to American safety by a million miles but politicians push fear of brown people to build a wall or institute a travel ban. For white killers it’s akways just thoughts and prayers

 

I agree.
Lets put an end to racism, sexism, and violence

#killallwhitemen