It's gonna be difficult to start this group.. if it's gonna be a battle of words..:H you can cross my name out.. hippies should join hands..not clash.. for my part...age is a number..I'm 61.. I was a travelller with hippie ideas..that's all.. in a group like this..strong moderators will be necessary.. I suggest 2 names..Shameless Heifer+Willow Jon.. or even Wyldwynd or Soaring Eagle... we should see the essence HOW people post.. what they represent here in this forum.. for the rest..let's see what happens.. that's my 2 cents..now crucify me..ahah..:leaving: Tiger
I have always gravitated to the Hippies Community on Hip Forums, but it is frequented by mostly teens, and sometimes I feel "old" there. I go to Old Hippies and not very many people start threads there. (Where are the old hippies) How would it be any different in a Hippies Group.? Would we suddenly find diverse subjects to discuss.? I like the idea of an older crowd though.!!! I do think a group would make it possible to be more holistic about our topics of conversation, as threads wouldn't be moved everytime you wanted to talk about anything other than Hippies Specifications, and what they are, wear, do, etc. Perhaps we should go along with the familiar saying, "Don't trust anyone over 30", and consider anyone over 30 as an "Old Hippie"
I have to agree with Skip...I like the younger hippies just fine, but it would be a great thing to have an Old Hippies forum where other topics can be discussed besides "what does it mean to be a hippie?". Forgive me if this seems intolerant, but I remember how the Old Hippies forum used to be 3,4,5 yrs ago (some of you probably do too)...a tight community of older folks who came together to share mutual concerns and memories. The young hippies did come into the forum, and it was fine until the same questions kept coming up over and over again, the "what do I have to do to be a hippie" type stuff. There were a lot of answers from the old hippies (over and over again), and lots of patience, but the patience wore thin with some folks...that is about when the young to old hippie FAQ was created to answer some of the questions that got asked over and over again, ad nauseaum...(sp?) I'm not saying that this influx of young hippies was what kinda splintered the community (I do think it was one of the factors), but splinter it did, for, I believe a number of reasons. I miss those folks; they REALLY helped me get through a very difficult period of my life, and I would like to get that community feeling back. Not all the same folks will come back (some have drifted away for other interests, a few, I must say sadly, have died), but the community feel can come back, I think... Again, I'm sorry if I sound anti- young hippy; I'm not, but I do feel it would be nice to have a forum where the older folks can hang out and share older hippy/older folks stories and concerns...
No, it's already been started... Wasn't difficult, just time consuming. That's what I'm trying to avoid by keeping out the YH... I guarantee you'll get a never ending one if they're here. I agree, with varying levels of maturity at every age. But we are talking about the experience of a generation. A generation that actually went out and protested what was wrong with this country. That was ONE generation. There are others that don't hold the same ideals we did then and many of us do still today. I want to honor that generation and not diminish/dilute the message, just as I did on Hippy.com and in my book, Hippies From A to Z. If we mix our unique history and experience, with that of today's teenagers, we will blur the message, and lose vital impact, as I've seen happen across these forum for the past 10 yrs. This may be our last chance to CHANGE THE WORLD. Yes, we need the other generations to help, but in order to inspire them, our message must be pure and on target, not dragged down in pointless debates about who is and who isn't a fucking hippie... I highly doubt we will need any mods. From what I've seen old hippies are quite polite and don't need management, besides kicking HHB's ass once in awhile Old Hippies have already been crucified by society. No reason for me to have to bother... I must also remind all you old hippies of our experience during the 60s & 70s when our ranks were infiltrated by FBI undercover agents who did everything possible to prevent us from organizing on a National level. That was the kiss of death to the hippy movement, and most political movements to this day (they are still being infiltrated and compromised). Have you FORGOTTEN the lessons we learned? Must we go thru it all again? It's bad enough the YH have it tough. That's because WE FAILED to follow through for various reasons. Or we went off into our own little "utopian" dreams via communes or drugs, or got "scared" straight. If we had our act together, we would've ended this stupid war in Iraq FOUR YEARS AGO, or would never have allowed it in the first place... But no, we were, and still are being undermined by powerful interests, as we relive the Vietnam war and our other failures over again (like 800,000 people being arrested for marijuana each year!). There, that's something we NEED to be discussing among ourselves... How we FAILED to realize our vision... And what we're gonna do about it NOW!
Grins lol Just read this whole forum over..... real slow See.....we can come to the 'circle' an look into each others eyes We are a good example of the word 'hippy' That said.....'coughs' I do like the idea of a special tent in the big meadow where I might feel more comfortable to let my hair down (an take off my outter skin) so to speak Maybe run nakkid' LOL Now ya got my butt in here .....now Lets all join hands OM Hugs 'winks'
O.K. Skip..I got your points..but I don't totally agree.. I still believe a mod is necessary.. anyway..so..what's gonna be the age limit?? and 5 group members so far..is that all??:H where are all the others??no guts to join or what?? Southernman is a great fellow.. he's from Munich??(Germany)aww..Bavaria... Tiger
yeah, SOME of them. I never asked ANYONE how you define a hippy. Whats BS?? And what makes you think that fashion is gunna be what everyones talking about? Thanks for not stereotyping me with the millions of other young people in the world today. I can't say I recall a thread called shit or damn or fuck but hey maybe I missed it... Plus i know people that dont swear at all that are my age. All threads i started i have entitled correctly. Hippy is still a pretty bad word where i am regardless of this site. People still make fun of hippies... Never help hippies out again because they decided to include people of the younger generation? Before you all say it wasn't directed at you or dont take it personally, well you dont see young people behaving this way or saying things like this to people of the older generation and frankly i wouldn't want to join group anyway like this. So well done. You've put me off. Though bearing in mind this is NOT a personal attach (just in case) but I am fed up of being stereotyped and I thought that this was the one place it wouldnt happen. (part from my home...)
I'm 46 now, and may not be around to see #50. Maybe I wasn't old enough to be really involved, but I was exposed to the times and I also believe we can still make it better. So, I voted for #40 cutoff.
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. You can expect these kinds of interruptions CONSTANTLY with YH here. Thanks for reminding me to keep YH out of this forum. You have the hippie forum to play in. Or should I just stop anyone from under 18 from accessing these forums? I'm more than ready to do that, now. I don't need to waste my time on this drivel.
OK, I've decided to draw the line at 40 yrs of age. People that age might not have been part of what happened in the 1960s, but they did parttake of the 1970s and have experienced enough and are mature enough to understand where we are coming from. From this point on, only members of the Old Hippies Group can post in the Old Hippies Forum, The Old Hippies Group Messages and Old Hippies Polls (this forum). The Flashbacks, Back to the Garden and Hippies Forums are still open to all. So if you're not signed up yet, you won't be able to participate in these forums.
Don't get wound up, Skip, I understand why you're doing it. I wish there was another way, but using age seems to be the simplest way to cull the nuisances. After all, they can still READ it, can't they? Besides, using age as a boundary is a hippy tradition. Remember when we wouldn't trust anybody over 30? 8o)
Wow, what a trip! I just read all of the posts and I understand everyone's point of view which makes it kinda difficult to choose. I can understand Skip's point of view on maintaining a focus for the older crowd and there are other outlets for the youngins. I had an idea about sharing our wisdom - is it possible for the posts to be read by non-members but they can't reply that way, if the youngins are interested, they can check out our point of view. They could have a forum to discuss something they saw here and if we wanted to play, we could and that way it wouldn't compromise the focus of this forum. Is this feasible?
I have been 'busy for a while and hadn't been posting a lot.. Now that I am 'back' I see and hear a lot of crap from the YH..I shouldn't really call them young hippies bc they are not HIP to what it was all about.. hippie is fashion now.. not a lifestyle...They seem to have a vail over there eyes and heart..I don't mind so much having a heated dicussion with an older adult bc at least they have a clue.. but I have had my fill of being cussed out by a teenager that never did a days work in their lives and that don't get the message of the 60s/70s yet try to claim the name Hippie.. I was in a thread the other day. It was about Woodstock.. so I droped in. good grief.. that thread read like a childrens story.. when I tried to bring some realizum into it.. my contribution from a Being that was on the fricken road there, was snubed and when I asked them to show more realizum I was told to Fuck OFF and "Slither" back from the rock I crawled out from under, by a 19 yr old. Then she demanded that I stay out of the forum. If she had been standing in front of me, I would have brought her to council in a heartbeat. Pleiadian.. If they would take a topic from our posts and discussed it, I would faint.. pure D faint! They are not here to learn.. they are her to flaunt their stuff and magnify their egos and impress some 'Hot' guy/chick..There have been a few.. a small few that 'get it' some that are looking for the truth.. the truth is hard to see sometimes when the judgement is cloudy, when the facts are not concidered. I have been flamed and flamed back, as most of us have.. I have also 'learned' that when you discuss something with these 'hot headed teens' your liable to walk away shaking your head in sadness bc the message is lost to them. Perhaps it's just me.. I'm a hard core mother fucker, I lived it then and I live it now.. I don't sugar coat anything. I tell the truth. I tell it from the experience of the battle itself.. a war on drugs indeed.. it was a war on the hippie, open season if you will, they use to kill hippies in some states in the earily 60s.. you either stood up and physically fought, got up and ran like hell was after you or surrendered. My point being.. if the younguns of today is our future tomorrow, then someone shoot me now bc they will have us in consentration camps before it is through. What ever happened to respecting your elders. a fed up heifer
Shameless I agree totally with you so I am not going to quote your whole post...I have been coming here now for quite some time now.....and though I never really subscribed to to the school of thought pertaining to labels and titles...my age has classed me into the "hippie" group which the youngin's seem to gravitate to seeking info about the times....the sad part of that is usually they are only interested in the drug related issues of the times...and having had my share of the personal attacks...I have not given up on posting in the forums..but I have been rather stand-offish ...I know this younger generation really doesn't have a clue about what struggling to survive is really about...I hate to group them all into a stereotypical group...cuz I have met alot of younger people who really have a geuine concern and a perception that supercedes that of people from the times....and personally...I believe since we were granted the opportunity to be a part of time passing and advancing with it...I feel it is our responsibility to keep "carrying the torch" and educate those interested in working towards a common goal for the individualism we all seeked....but not at the expense of personal attack or belittlement.....hell we are from the generation that believed anybody over 30 was the "establishment"...well we have become the "establishment"....it's just we don't subscribe to the plastic phoney society we have been transported into the future with...or that is my own personal observation and belief...so in referrence to the original question regarding age...yeah 40 is a fair cut off...and stills encompasses a generation that was influenced by the times and helped make them who they are
I think seeing how fucked up everything is is a normal part of growing up. I was such a programmed child of the 50's, it didn't kick in for me until I was 20 and got turned on. I see the kids today coming in awake and having a culture shock when they land here. We fight what we don't understand. I did and I learned that fighting begets fighting and love conquers all. I haven't met a kid (or adult) yet that doesn't respond to sincere affection. I channel a Pleiadian and he said "honor the button pushers for they are your salvation" - meaning if someone gets you riled up, bless them for they have shown you some negative programming that is not serving you so you can get rid of it and replace it with a higher vibe definition. My kids have been unmerciful in that regard - they stomped on my buttons hard and it was a most wonderful gift. I want to grow up to be the best humanoid I can be
I'm sure it's me tho Fyl I always seem to lecture.. it's my training. I can't help but SEE past the skin of it. seeing surrfering in others and trying to correct everythin disassembiled and place it back where it belongs, you get 'thick skined'.. not that you don't care or aren't sympathic, it just takes too much time to 'baby sit' and spraypaint it a pretty color untill it's unreconisable and the message it lost. With age comes experience.. with experience comes wisdom. I din't think it's a good idea for the kindergardeners to be going to school with the collage kids.. Glad to have a place where one can relax a bit and talk adult talk. Bright Blessings sh
I haven't forgotten how to love--I am serious and I am a jackass--I have stories and I am old--I am young,yet I remember--And I will gladly come here--and I hope I can contribute something worthwhile occasionally.
Wow! I'm really amazed already at this group, and the great ideas you're sharing! I want to share with you my experience yesterday in San Francisco at the 40th Anniversary of the Summer of Love. I'm going to write up a whole thing on it, got great pix, etc., but the MOST important thing was the message everyone was sending out - LOVE is the answer! Country Joe McDonald, Raz Manzerek and Marty Balin were just a few of the original hippies on stage, on message Sunday. A very high event. I think it's inspiring me to get this show going here. Like most of us older hippies, we've been put off by so many things which have derailed the movement just as easily as a thread gets derailed here. My inspiration has ebbed and flowed since this all began. But we can see more clearly now that we MUST communicate and organize like never before. We can't let the naysayers, the trolls, the infiltrators derail us anymore. We now have the tools, the same type of tools being used (belatedly) by the political forces in this country to organize and mobilize. We are much wiser now, too. We've seen and been thru too much BS to be lied to or propagandized anymore. We've watched the generations after us become slaves to the system, "victims" of the global mindfuck being perpetrated upon the masses by the same system we demanded be changed or overthrown. So the ball's back in our court. How shall we return the service? How can we mobilize the neo-hippies, the slackers, gens X, Y and Z to join us and continue the movement? Do we want to? Would they want to? Young people are the future of course, so if we let our generation pass without another picking up from where we leave off, you know it's all over for them. We knew back in the 60s that we were the generation that would make a difference. Perhaps we just didn't realize when that would be... Perhaps it's NOW! This moment could very well be our last chance to make the final stand and do what needs to be done. Are we ready at last?
