Alex Jones and the coming Witch Hunt

Maybe it is wrong... I don't think I'm clear on the difference between a neonazi and a nazi. Though to be honest it would have to be a stark difference for me to be particularly concerned with their safety.

 

Their "unlikeable conviction" is the inferiority and oppression of minorities..itself a pretty dangerous and violent ideology

 

Nazis are dead or really old

Yes, and it deserves a punch in the face when they act upon it in a way it actually affects others. Simply having an unlikable conviction or opinion is not a good reason to start punching. If we think it is we also validate violence from for example certain neonazis

 

Yeah. I wouldnt condone violence.
Still havent found it in me to really feel sorry for any neo nazi who gets his ass kicked though. Shrug

 

That might be because most who get their ass kicked or face punched have actively deserved it.

 

Fair point. Well said.

Still... It's hard to empathise with people who espouse a worldview that is as close to pure evil as one can get.

But I get it. Violence begets violence. It's always important to remember that.

 

Unpopular convictions should not be a reason for violence on itself. It's all how people who have them go about it.
I actually came across some very civil and reasonable racists. Remember, we don't have to like every other people. I didn't like them that much either. But they were interesting and i liked that they could discuss the matter civil, sincere and reasonable. Rarely happens (often due to both 'sides')

 

How about when they're in the streets saying things like "kill the Jews"? Do we get to punch them then?

 

Oxymoron

Racism at its core is an unreasonable ideology, no matter how politely one presents their case

But I know what you mean.

 

That's an attempt to incite violence and hate on our fellow humans and is indeed deserving of physical repercussion

 

I disagree, only for people who adhere to certain morals or have the conviction its wrong to discriminate, or wrong to get you and the people you care about in a better position at the cost of others.

If i look objectively at the world and life the unfortunate fact is that racist discrimination is only unreasonable if one finds it unwanted.
If one has the sincere conviction (perhaps derived from observing nature, or the right of the strongest for example) there's nothing wrong with racist discrimination and using it to improve your and yours position it would seem more unreasonable not to act upon it, right?

 

Yeah i dont agree with any of that lol
But i'm gonna let it lie

 

Too bad, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong about it.

 

Fine. I'll take the bait i suppose

This sums it up doesnt it?
At the cost of others

What else is there to be said? That sort of nativist, tribal thinking is dangerous precisely because one group's success relies on another's suffering

 

It's unreasonable to accept suffering of people you don't give a shit about from a non moral POV?

We were not arguing it is dangerous btw. We're in agreement about that. But what if one accepts the danger one creates for others in the world? Is that really unreasonable? When we (you and me) indirectly inflict harm and increase danger on others in the world through our lifestyle is that just as unreasonable? Or less? How so? Because we don't want to/morally find it wrong? So the crux is morality?

 

From a non moral point of view?

I guess not.

But most humans do seem to possess some sort of moral compass and I find it preferable when they put it to good use

 

But it is really common the morals are restricted to people we identify with or accept.

Punching a person with too dangerous convictions seems ok to certain 'morally sound' folks, just for having them apparently!

 

Oh you edited.

Yes. I would argue that the entire modern structure of society and humanity is unreasonable. I wont deny that I participate in it willingly, but it is still unreasonable.

In a reasonable world we will have moved beyond tribalism and also beyond a lifestyle that will only lead to the inevitable destruction of humanity and the world as we know it (maybe thats a bit dramatic and over the top, but you get my drift)

 

I never said it was okay, just that i'm not going to lose sleep about it

 

Quite frankly, being from the US and all, i'm generally just pleased when people decide to use their fists instead of guns : p