alex jones skeptics

The other Jones, Steven Jones, likes to mix in the religion with his 911 conspiracy theories. He's mormon. If you ever go to one of his talks in person, they are usually more about religion and politics than anything about engineering related to 911. He had a paper on the BYU site for a while where he claimed that Jesus walked the North American continent then pulled it, probably because it hurt his credibility about his 911 claims. He no longer has his position at BYU. He left 911 Scholars also.

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The Mormon church is one of the larger branches of the Illuminati network. So any Mormon who thinks they're informed about the Illuminati is sadly mistaken.

 

'dillusion'?

The bankers, politicians, etc. might be nasty, greedy bastards, but they wouldn't be where they are if they were the kind of stupid sheep who believe in fairy-tales like "satan".

 

They do not follow the Christian version of Satan, but they do follow a specific religion which is based around Lucifer. Lucifer, again, represents knowledge. So no, they don't believe in a guy with goat horns who lives inside the earth.

 

I'm not an expert in the Judaeo-Christian religion. But what seems to be the problem with knowledge in that religion? Taking from the tree of knowledge as being the greatest sin is one example. Someone just mentioned Lucifer as representing knowledge.

I'll choose the knowledge gained from a compass rather than faith when I need directions. Others will discard the compass and put their faith in a religious leader.

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Their satan isn't part of the judeo-christian tradition. still mystical though not reason based, not empirical knowledge but "divine" knowledge. look up satanism and/or gnosticism.

 

The high Freemasonic Elite at the top are not "satanists." Satan was a creation of the Christian bible and is often a term that is misused and used out of context. There are lower factions of this network that are "satanic" in nature, but hold no real status other than at a gofer level.

Really, we're dealing with a hodge-podge of religions here: Theosophy, Gnosticism, Hinduism, Eastern Mysticism, Humanism, etc.. These all have their roots in the esoteric Kaballah, which is the religion behind Illumined Freemasonry. At the highest levels, the Elite actually believe themselves to be Gods reincarnated through an Elite breeding program, having reached "perfection" in a previous life. In a big way, it's very much similar to a form of Hinduism they practice.

 

the satan stuff = people being mean to other people

 

What do you mean ? [pardon the pun].

 

The problem with Alex is definatley his faith. He looks at all this information through christian glasses, which is a huge problem because you end up talking about the end of the world and the moral battle between the faithful and the devil... which is all bullshit.

i think people need to look at it from a political view, that innate feeling that 'this is wrong' is far more important then the "bible" which was written to confuse people in the first place.

If you want to look at it from a religious view then you really do need a good understanding of the occult aswell as a suitable understanding of the major world religions and good understanding of where those religions came from... including christianity.


P.S. Satan (as far as i know, please correct me if i am wrong) is latin for "adversary" or "opposition".

Also it is important to note that "Satanism" really isn't a religion at all in the context it is most often mentioned, anything pagan or occult is thrown under "Satanism" sometimes even eastern religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism are thrown under the umbrella of "Satanisim"

This comes about from the Christian view that everything that does not serve YHWH or Jesus is "Satanic". The only group of people that really should be called "Satanic" is the Church of Satan (an intellectual backlash to Christians) or any church that directly opposes Jesus and Yaweh specificaly.

Having said all that, the best term i have heard is "Devil worship" because it specifically refers to those that worship anti-deities christian or otherwise such as setians. The truth is however, that regardless of which deity you worship, the only thing that matters is that innate feeling of right or wrong and you can't base that on religion, no you have to find that on your own.

 

The elite's fairytales are much more interesting...

 

the satan = mean people thing is my way of saying that there isn't any devil, there aren't any evil spirts or evil for that matter. Religions build up this image of "the evil one(s)" yet never deliver because they just blame bad things on the devil, etc...

It's like saying that you get presents on Christmas because Santa Claus brought them to you, instead of telling you the truth and letting you know that your parents are responsible for them being there. Same idea

 

Oh I see - thanks

 

Well if Alex is a pawn for the elite their plan is back firing,cause alot of people are waking up,and those who wake up,wake others up.I've told alot of people about Alex and what he talks about then they tell their friends and so on...It just spreads like wild fire!The globalist are being brought down with the truth!

 

I thinnk Alex gets a little OTT at times, but he definately exposes some important issues and has a useful place in the media where so much is orchestrated towards bias.

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It's only free because it's pirated and other wise it's not free and you even have to pay to get the media on his prison planet website. I don't fully trust Alex Jones either but he did get me to ask question's about 9/11 and to not fully believe the so-called official story and got me looking more into it so to that I'll always be grateful of him for speaking on that. Other wise he's a libertarian and I'm totally opposite of him on that regard and he's said some things about stuff that I don't believe in. For example he did this "documentary" that was supposed to be about Skull & Bones but it was just nothing but his documentary on Boehmeian Grove and they have nothing to do with each other even if they have similar members and he talks crap about Al Gore and global warming that I know isn't true.

 

I'm familiar with them and they aren't bad. There have been just a few times I've disagreed with him on things he has said. I heard him on Mike Malloy's show (anyone familiar with him?) once and it was a really good interview. Jones does approve of people sharing documentries and burning copies. I've heard plenty of times people calling into the show and telling him they do that and he is glad they do and sharing them with people.

 

I think Jones's main point with the 9/11 talk is there are lots of connections that the PNAC/George Bush neocon group has ties to the event happening. Lots of people out there like to say it was just incompetence and all that but too many weird things don't add up to that theory. Start with BCCI and research them. They were a Pakistani terrorist bank that had two well known families as members: the Bush family and BinLadin family's respectivley. I think that is a key starting point where that is concerned. I wish Jones would talk more about that connection but I don't think I have heard him talk about it. This is where I believe both families got a lot of their money.

 

I agree with your points except that Iraq does have to do with oil. Whenever you hear any republican/neocon talking about their benchmarks pay attention to their number one issue with the so-called benchmarks and that's getting this new oil law passed in the Iraqi congress that will give over pretty much all of the oil profits to American oil companies. While I agree Bush is a pretty dumb guy he has a great PR team. However people are finally waking up.

 

Right. I've listened to his show a good number of times and have very rarely heard him talk about his religion. He doesn't wear it on his sleeve like say Sean Hannity and some of these other people. However I do have a problem with him saying that what BG does there is Satanic because we don't really know that. It could be pagan and pagans aren't Satanic. Just because whatever it is they're doing there doesn't line up with his religion doesn't mean it's evil or whatever and I saw his documentary on this whole thing and didn't see them doing a faux child sacrifice so I don't know about that. I think we only have his word and I don't know about you but that's not enough for me.