All your reasons why being left wing is so much better than being conservative.

Well lets see, where to start? Must say that jamgrassphan hit the nail on the head as a very good reason to dislike conservatives and too true. I also dislike that conservatives like to replace well known scientific facts with anything they can think up to make the "facts" line up with whatever their agenda is at the time. Often trying to blur the lines between religion and government, forcing their religious beliefs on the rest of the public. There is also the whole general money over environment thing that is pretty disturbing. Lack of willingness to embrace education and future technologies. I am sure I missed a few but thats off the top of my head.

 

cos right wingers keep doing wrong.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html?_r=3

Here is a start, there are dozens of examples provided after an .08 second Google search. If you throw in blood donations and time served at charities you approach the 700% number.*

Your vote is meaningless, it's already been counted and you have been marginalized because you march lock- step with your party. For every story you can post about a Republican doing something dishonest or contrary to the will of the people I can post one about Democrats.*

Until Americans wake up and decide the two party system is too corrupt to go on and demand changes we are screwed. Keep wasting your time blaming the worlds woes solely on conservatives, it's what they want you to do. As long as we are fighting among ourselves and not holding both party's accountable they win.

 

"households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals" as reported by the IRS - for tax write off purposes. Again, another much sited "fact" that fails to take into account the entire scope of charity - little things like food pantries, missionary support, shelter donations - Classic example of journalism by omission. How many times have you personally given a charitable donation and been asked to identify yourself, politically?

You're making huge and deceptive assumptions. I've donated blood many times - NO ONE HAS EVER ASKED ME MY POLITICAL AFFILIATION. And I'd wager to say that NO ONE has asked you. So where does the data supporting these "facts" come from? A pundit's ass, that's where. You're going to have to do a lot better than sourcing a fucking Columnist (A Columnist is a Columnist - even a left leaning New York Times Columnist) to convince me of this "fact". I'm a little puzzled that an "Independent" would allow his/her opinion to be so readily formed by the very media/propaganda machinations that openly and passionately suppress anything resembling an independent, third party. I think you should revisit my original post, especially the last part. You pulled 700% out of very thin air.

 

Never mind , I could spend all day posting support of my position ( yes 700% was high but you get the point don't you?) and you would dismiss every sorce as a right wing conspiracy.

Go wallow in in your bias you're no better then a Tea Party member.

 

No, you're desperately trying to make the case that I'm a liberal automaton, and failing. Everything I said in my post ring's true - and I still identify with the left, as a matter of choosing a party that at the very least is friendly to the concept of social justice. This 700% bullshit - inflated numbers is part of the god damn problem with U.S. politcs. Your trying to argue the point that conservatives are more charitable than liberals? And I cry bullshit - that's a subjective judgement that you and many other conservatives have tried to provide as evidence of some moral high ground by measuring with a very narrow and selective ruler. You can shout me down like Bill O'Reilly all you want, call me a twat, but I arrived at my original post not buy gobbling at the balls of some pundit who happens to validate the same exact world view that someone else sold me on. I didn't spring forth from the womb a leftist, I earned it, by witnessing first hand - hard working people getting fucked over, hurt, and shat upon by greedy fucking, money grubbing conservatives - the kind of conservatives who sneer at social justice, civil rights and environmentalism, but who manage to feel all warm and cozy by being "charitable" as tax season approaches, by giving away a tiny percentage of their ill gotten capital gains. Do I think all conservatives are wicked monsters? No. Do I think that all leftists are saints? Hell no. But you're either for social justice, or you're against social justice in a bi-partisan system, and that's the reality of our government at present. It's immoral to live in a society that has so much wealth, and not be critical of systems and laws that perpetuate poverty, ignorance and human suffering. Charity is noble, but fairness and justice is greater.

 

Again making up the facts as they go

 

All I can think of is that being a member of the Left wing allows one to feel entitled to a share of the success achieved by others, while conservatives are only entitled to the success or failures they themselves produce within the rules government applies to them.

 

(sigh). Left winger here. Put myself through school (I guess I'm another one of those "entitled" left wingers who wasn't born with the "silver spoon" in his mouth). I literally waited on wealthy and conservative trust fund kids whose parent's paid for everything. I didn't have the opportunity to "network" at frat parties or buddy up with my rich friend's dad, who would later give me a six figure salary, even though I basically drank, smoke and fucked my way through school, while I paid "entitled" left wingers to write my term papers for me.

I'm so fucking sick and tired of this conservative myth. Yes, there are people who struggled out of poverty with hard work - and their efforts are made even more amazing by the fact that the deck is stacked against them at every turn - not because of taxes, unions or government regulation. But because conservatives continue to fight tooth and nail to destroy the middle rungs of the ladder, to dismantle the precious few social justice handholds that remain and make this "American Dream" even remotely possible for the few who are determined AND LUCKY enough to ascend. I'm pretty damned sure that there was a considerable number of conservative banking executives who had no problem feeling "entitled" to having their irresponsible and unethical behavior rewarded when Bush initiated the banking cartel bailouts.

 

And the blame game continues. I'm poor because someone else is rich?

 

I don't consider myself to be poor. You undoubtedly would. I do know that if I'd had access to the same opportunities as some of my wealthier peers, that I would have have eclipsed their "success". I've worked for some very wealthy idiots at various times throughout my life - they weren't self made people. Their success was the direct result of nepotism, not talent, not ambition, not hard work, not determination and certainly not intelligence. I've seen them make indefensible decisions - outright wreckless decisions - and I've seen people lose their livelihoods because of it. I've seen people die prematurely because of it. And I've seen the people who rely on their enterprises for survival, protect the very same people who look down their noses at them, protect their "lords" from their own foolishness and decadence at great personal expense.

The "entitled" rich all share the same trait - the incurable sense that they somehow deserve the privilege that has been inherited by them. As if their positions of power were a birth right. Time and time again, I've seen them take credit and payment for someone else's hard work, someone else's determination, someone else's cleverness, someone else's knowledge. And they love to sneer at the poor, blame them for their own poverty. And I've seen genius squandered for no other reason than needless, indefensible poverty.

This notion of the lazy poor is a shameful and unforgivable lie.

 

Rich = Conservative, Republican, Right wing?
Poor = Liberal, Democrat, Left wing?

Good = Left wing?
Bad = Right wing?

 

Looks about right to me.

 

Nope - read my previous posts on this subject. There are plenty of poor conservatives out there - thanks to "the sociopathic genius of the GOP" and the effectiveness of the myth. Plenty of people out there who get all emotional when Faux tells them they're being taxed to death, people who would starve and forego medical treatment because Faux News told them it was socialism to participate in any tax funded social justice program, but won't blink an eye when the farmer down the road accepts thousands of dollars in ag subsidies each year and can afford to take his family on a cruise each winter. Will grit their teeth in disgust when Faux tells them about the hordes of illegal immigrants that threaten to steal their country right out from underneath them, but stare blankly and vacantly ahead when you point out that the corporate farms and meat processing plants (to name just two examples) that hire these scary illegals are financing the same conservative legislators' campaigns and maintaining hordes of lobbyists in D.C. just to make sure that things stay exactly the same.

-- The same people who think it's good and "business friendly" to allow big ag, big pharma, big insurance, the banking cartel, big energy to literally get away with murder and treason - that it's "business friendly" to export labor to nations that look the other way at child labor, human rights violations, organized crime and slavery. That this is somehow good for our economy?

Bad = Right wing? not universally - for the working poor who are conservative I would use words like "misguided" and "mislead". Faux and Newscorp exist for no other reason than to keep these people confused, fearful and ignorant of the real source of their discontent.

 

Nope, you can narrow it down even better: divide and conquer :2thumbsup:

 

my best reason why left > right:

I'm not a self-conscious, closet homosexual that tries to exert myself in all possible ways to make it more difficult for other people to enjoy their life how they want to.

 

That may be the typical image of 'conservatives' but not necessarily right wing. It may be typical projection of leftwingers on self proclaimed rightwingers though

 

i guess i stand corrected.

i'm beginning to find i'm much less interested in politics anyways - my interests lie in philosophy

 

jamgrassphan:

Just how would you define a "social justice program"?

 

WAIT WAIT WAIT I've seen this before, Do you work for FOX news?