america causes trouble

I remember George Bxsh say that sthg like that just after he got banned from the Church of the Nativity( before the Iraq invasion).
He said "only God can stop wars".
Then a priest conducting the service at my friend's funeral said it 3 days later.

I was absolutely disgusted , the idea that a Christian God somehow supports genocide against people because "non Christians dont matter".

 

Which was EXACTLY the point of my last question. I'm still waiting for an answer.

Which god will give us peace?

 

I doubt he will do anything about it. Man makes war and peace.

 

i think he was reelected because for a lotta people, pulling outta iraq too soon would be just as bad as going in in the first place.

 

OK...this thread has gotten wayyy out of control, and I have to defend my country no matter how messed up it may be right now...neponiatka...I do believe you have to get your facts straight...RUSSIA threatened to attack AMERICA a few years ago...in which case, we have our defense up just in case. Also, all of the talk around here about how RUSSIA is on the border of starting a World War III...which wouldn't surprise me based on how the government works there...is fucked up! Also, keep in mind, America has the most organized form of government and although the Bush Administration may be awful and even we American's hate it, always remember that we are the most powerful country because we are doing things right for the WORLD. You hate this country, yet you say we are bringing you down based on our current economical issues? So technically, what you're saying is that YOUR COUNTRY CAN NOT FUNCTION WITHOUT OURS. So, maybe you should reconsider your "hatred" and realize that we aren't the bad guys here...seeing as how you need us....

 

i don't know about all that, but putin is determined to restart the cold war. i used to like that guy, but he's turning freaky. and is kind of a fucking joke, too.

 

Russia has the same policy of world domination that it's had for 150 years.

Just like the US.

The sooner Russians AND Americans realize this and put a stop to it, the better.

 

:cheers2:

 

I don't think that is going to happen and the creator of this thread is proof of the closed-minded people there are out there...

 

both sides of the ticket. i know some rednecks who sound the same as her.

 

Keep hope alive, sisters.

 

you have to remember how controlled both sides of the media are..
i mean her side is forced to spew her governments propaganda or face murder.
our side is just filtered so that only what they wish you(or her in this case) to hear is in the main stream media..

one has to think that that has a huge bearing on her perception of the whole situation..

it must make for a very skewed view of it all..

 

Well as an aside , I cant believe how someone can compare Neponiatka's balanced popularly held views , to the redneck Neo-Nazism of parts of America.

No-one "needs" America , least of all Russia.

Yes Russia( well , the USSR) did threaten America , but bloody hell America threatened virtually the whole world since the 1920s or earlier.

America's version of corrupt version of "democracy" is a disgrace.To say it has the "most organised form of government" ( the Bxsh family blantantly rigging 2 elections in a row etc) is staggering.

America is using arms , corrupt Capitalism and lying media to try and bully countries weak and strong around the World.
Maybe when Russia bases nukes in Cuba+Venezuela , American people will sit up and wonder how things got that way

 

Even so, having the media put heavy bearing on ones opinion regarding an entire massive country is indicative of a simple mind.

 

Russia was swallowing smaller surrounding nation states when Lenin was still in diapers. And the US was practicing manifest destiny and booting natives off what is now Ohio 100 years before that.

Neither is better than the other.

 

Why u say that ? COs Rupert Murdoch told you?

And how about the British government's chief weapons adviser , David Kelly , who was murdered courtesy of the US government.
Which the Anglo American media pretended like children was "suicide".

The American media is miles worse than the Russian.For a start , Russia doesnt go on genocidal killing sprees around the world...with its media acting as cheerleader.

Have u ever read a Russian newspaper...?Answer , ofcourse not.

 

i read about some troubles the media in russia was having with putin trying to control what was said and by whom...in the bbc world news.

 

A bit rich coming from a place that killed 90 % of its 60 million natives.
And dropped nukes on 2 cities etc , ad infinitum.

Land based nations were constantly at war for millenia.
Poland , Genghis Khan , Germany , the Ottomans etc etc.
Most Russians utterly despised the Tsars , but the US Establishment only criticised its replacement that aimed for equality of people and nations in the USSR.

Imagine if Russia let Mexico take over half of America , you'd understand what American shit-stirring was aiming for in the CIS.

Russia gave up MUCH too much of her lands to tinpot states.
Even Russia's original capital is currently outside of the Federation.
So now the pendulum has to swing back...

 

no because its common knowledge to anyone who is informed..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

2008

• Ilyas Shurpayev, Dagestani journalist responsible for news coverage of Northern Caucasus on Channel One, was strangled with a belt in Moscow.[11]
• Gaji Abashilov, chief of Dagestan outlet of VGTRK, shot in his car.
• Magomed Yevloyev, owner of Ingushetiya.ru, shot in police custody[12][13][14].
• Abdulla Alishayev, Dagestani journalist fatally wounded by unknown assailants.[15]

[edit] 2007

• Konstantin Brovko, journalist of TV company "Gubernia" (Russian: "Губерния"), killed in Khabarovsk
• Ivan Safronov, Military columninst of newspaper "Kommersant". Died in Moscow on March 2 - cause of death disputed.[16]

[edit] 2006

• Vadim Kuznetsov, editor-in-chief of journal "World and home. Saint Petersburg", killed in Saint Petersburg
• Vaghif Kochetkov, newspaper Trud (Labor), killed in Tula;
• Ilya Zimin, he worked for NTV Russia television channel, killed in Moscow by an acquaintance;
• Vyacheslav Akatov, special reporter, "Business Moscow" TV show, killed in Moscow Region;
• Anton Kretenchuk, cameraman, 38th TV Channel, killed in Rostov-on-Don;
• Yevgeny Gerasimenko, newspaper "Saratovsky Rasklad", Saratov;
• Vlad Kidanov, freelance journalist, Cheboksary;
• Alexander Petrov, editor-in-chief, "Right for Choice" magazine, killed near Omsk - in Altai Republic;
• Vyacheslav Plotnikov, reporter, 41st TV Channel, Voronezh;
• Anna Politkovskaya, observer, newspaper Novaya Gazeta, Moscow, shot in her apartment building's elevator;[17][18][19][20]
• Anatoly Voronin, business chief of ITAR-TASS; Moscow, stabbed to death in his home

[edit] 2005

• Pavel Makeyev, reporter for TNT-Pulse Company, Rostov-on-Don;
• Magomedzaghid Varisov, Makhachkala;
• Alexander Pitersky, Baltika Radio reporter, Saint Petersburg;
• Vladimir Pashutin, newspaper Smolensky Literator, Smolensk;
• Tamirlan Kazikhanov, press service head, Anti-Terrorist Center of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs's Main Department for the Southern Federal District, Nalchik;
• Kira Lezhneva, reporter, newspaper "Kamensky Worker", Sverdlovsk Region.[21]

[edit] 2004

• Yefim Sukhanov, ATK-Media, Archangelsk;
• Farit Urazbayev, cameraman, Vladivostok TV/Radio Company, city of Vladivostok;
• Adlan Khassanov, Reuters reporter, killed in Grozny;
• Shangysh Mondush, correspondent for newspaper Khemchiktin Syldyzy, Tuva Republic;
• Paul Klebnikov, editor of Russian version of Forbes magazine, Moscow;
• Payl Peloyan, editor of Armyansky Pereulok magazine, Moscow;
• Zoya Ivanova, BGTRK broadcaster, Republic of Buryatia;
• Vladimir Pritchin, editor-in-chief of North Baikal TV/Radio Company, Republic of Buryatia;
• Ian Travinsky, Saint Petersburg, killed in Irkutsk;[22]

[edit] 2003

• Aleksei Sidorov, Tolyatinskoye Obozreniye, October 9, 2003, Togliatti. He was the second editor-in-chief of local newspaper, "Tolyatinskoye Obozreniye" to be shot to death. His predecessor, Valery Ivanov, was shot in April 2002. The newspaper was known for reporting on organized crime and corruption in the industrial city of Togliatti. [7]
• Yuri Shchekochikhin, Novaya Gazeta, July 3, 2003, Moscow. Deputy editor of the Novaya Gazeta, he died just a few days before his scheduled trip to USA to discuss the results of his journalist investigation with FBI officials. He investigated "Three Whales Corruption Scandal" that involved high-ranking FSB officials. Shchekochikhin died from an "acute allergic reaction" to a substance that was presumably identified as thallium. [8]
• Dmitry Shvets, TV-21 Northwestern Broadcasting, April 18, 2003, Murmansk. He was deputy director of the independent television station TV-21 Northwestern Broadcasting. He was shot dead outside his station offices. Shvets' colleagues said their station had received multiple threats for its reporting on influential local politicians. [9]

[edit] 2002

• Natalia Skryl, the Nashe Vremya newspaper, Taganrog town;
• Konstantin Pogodin, the Novoye Delo newspaper, Nizhni Novgorod city;
• Valeri Batuev, Moscow News newspaper, Moscow;
• Sergei Kalinovski, the Moskovskiy Komsomolets, Smolensk;
• Vitali Sakhn-Val'da, photojournalist, Kursk town;
• Leonid Shevchenko, the Pervoye Chteniye newspaper, Volgograd;
• Valeri Ivanov, the chief editor for the Tol'yattinskoye Obozrenie newspaper, the Samara region;
• Sergei Zhabin,the press service of the governor of the Moscow region;
• Nikolai Vasiliev, Cheboksary city, Chuvashia;
• Leonid Kuznetsov, the Mescherskaya Nov' newspaper, the Ryazan region;
• Paavo Voutilainen, a former main editor of the Kareliya magazine, Kareliya;
• Roddy Scott, the Frontline-TV TV Company, from Great Britain.
• Alexandr Plotnikov, the Gostiny Dvor newspaper, Tyumen city;
• Oleg Sedinko, the founder of the Novaya Volna TV and Radio Company, Vladivostok city;
• Nikolai Razmolodin, the general director of the Europroject TV and Radio Company, Ulyanovsk town;
• Igor Salikov, the chief of the Department of information safety of the Moskovskiy Komsomolets newspaper in Penza;
• Leonid Plotnikov, the publishing house "Periodicals of the Mari-El", Yoshkar-Ola.[23]

[edit] 2001

• Eduard Markevich, 29, editor and publisher of local newspaper Novy Reft in Sverdlovsk Region, was found dead (shot in the back) on September 18. He often criticized local officials and had received threatening telephone phone calls prior to the murder. [10] [24]

[edit] 2000

• Vladimir Yatsina, February 20, 2000. A correspondent for ITAR-TASS, he was kidnapped and later killed by a group of Wahhabis in Chechnya [25]
• Aleksandr Yefremov, May 12, 2000, Chechnya. A photojournalist of the western Siberian newspaper Nashe Vremya was killed in Chechnya when rebels blew up a military jeep in which he was riding. On previous assignments, Yefremov had won acclaim for his news photographs from the war-torn region. [11]
• Igor Domnikov, from Novaya Gazeta, July 16, 2000, Moscow. Unknown assassin hit him repeatedly on the head with a hammer in the entryway of his apartment building in Moscow. The killer was never found. It is believed that the assailant mistook Domnikov for a Novaya Gazeta reporter Oleg Sultanov who received threats from the FSB for his reporting on corruption in the Russian oil industry.[12]
• Sergey Novikov, Radio Vesna, July 26, 2000, Smolensk. He was shot and killed in the stairwell of his apartment building. He often criticized the government of Smolensk Region. [13]
• Iskandar Khatloni, Radio Free Europe, September 21, 2000, Moscow. He was killed at night with axe in his Moscow apartment by an unknown assailant. The motif of the murder is unknown, but Khatloni work on stories about the human-rights abuses in Chechnya.[26]
• Sergey Ivanov, Lada-TV, October 3, 2000, Togliatti. He was shot five times in the head and chest in front of his apartment building. He was director of Lada-TV, the largest independent television company in Togliatti, which was an important player on the local political scene. [14].
• Adam Tepsurgayev, Reuters, November 21, 2000, Chechnya. A Chechen cameraman, he was shot at a neighbor's house in the village of Alkhan-Kala. He produced most of Reuters' footage from Chechnya in 2000, including shots of Chechen rebel Shamil Basayev having his foot amputated. [15].

[edit] Journalists who reported on the conflict in Chechnya

• Cynthia Elbaum. On assignment for Time magazine, Cynthia was photographing in the streets of Grozny, when she was killed in a Russian bombing raid in 1994.[27]
• Vladimir Zhitarenko, a veteran military correspondent for the Russian armed forces daily Krasnaya Zvezda (Red Star), was hit by two sniper bullets outside the town of Tolstoy-Yurt, near the Chechen capital of Grozny on December 31, 1994.
• Nina Yefimova, a reporter for local newspaper "Revival" was abducted from her apartment and killed together with her mother. Journalists in Grozny and Moscow believe that her murder was related to stories she had published on crime in Chechnya.
• Jochen Piest. On January 10, 1995, Piest was killed in a suicide attack by a Chechen rebel against a Russian mine-clearing unit in the village of Chervlyonna, about 24 kilometers northeast of the Chechen capital, Grozny. The rebel was firing his submachine gun as he drove a small diesel locomotive at high speed toward a Russian troop train parked on the track. Piest was fatally hit by three bullets. Rossiskaya Gazeta correspondent Vladimir Sorokin was wounded in the attack. The gunman died when the locomotive collided with the military train.
• Farkhad Kerimov. Farkhad Kerimov was murdered on May 22nd 1995 while filming for Associated Press on the rebel side of Chechnya. No motive has ever been established for the killing.
• Natalya Alyakina. Natalya Alyakina, a free-lance correspondent for German news outlets, was shot dead in June by a soldier after clearing a Russian checkpoint near the southern Russian city of Budyonnovsk.
• Shamkhan Kagirov. Kagirov, a reporter for the Moscow daily newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta and the local paper Vozrozheniye, was shot and killed in an ambush in Chechnya. Kagirov and three local police officers were traveling in a car near Grozny when they were attacked. The three officers were also killed.
• Viktor Pimenov. In March 11, 1996, he was fatally shot in the back by a sniper positioned on the roof of a 16-story building in Grozny, the Chechen capital. Pimenov had been filming the devastation caused by the March 6-9 rebel raid on the city.
• Nadezhda Chaikova. On March 20, 1996, Chaikova disappeared while on assignment. Her body was found buried in the Chechen village of Geikhi on April 11, blindfolded and bearing signs of beatings. The cause of death was a gunshot wound to the back of the head.
• Supian Ependiyev. On the evening of October 27, 1999, several short-range ballistic missile hit a crowded outdoor market in central Grozny, killing or wounding hundreds of people. About an hour after the attack, Ependiyev went to the scene to cover the carnage for his paper. As he was leaving the site, a new round of rockets fell about 200 meters from the bazaar. Ependiyev suffered severe shrapnel wounds and died in a Grozny hospital the next morning. According to other sources, he died two days later.
• Ramzan Mezhidov. The journalists were covering a refugee convoy en route, along the Baku-Rostov highway, from Grozny to Nazran in neighboring Ingushetia. As the convoy approached the Chechen town of Shaami Yurt, a Russian fighter bomber fired several rockets from the air, hitting a busload of refugees. Despite warnings from colleagues traveling with them, Mezhidov and Gigayev left their vehicle to film the carnage. As they approached the bus, another Russian rocket hit a nearby truck, fatally wounding both journalists.
• Vladimir Yatsina, a correspondent for ITAR-TASS was kidnapped and killed by a group of Wahhabis in Chechnya on July 19, 1999. [28][29]
• Aleksandr Yefremov. A photojournalist of the western Siberian newspaper Nashe Vremya was killed in Chechnya when rebels blew up a military jeep in which he was riding. On previous assignments, Yefremov had won acclaim for his news photographs from the war-torn region.
• Roddy Scott. On September 26, 2002, Scott was killed in the Russian republic of Ingushetia. Russian soldiers found his body in Ingushetia's Galashki region, near the border with Chechnya, following a bloody battle between Russian forces and a group of Chechen fighters.
• Magomedzagid Varisov, a political scientist and journalist, was shot to death near his home in Makhachkala. He "had received threats, was being followed and had unsuccessfully sought help from the local police" according to Committee to Protect Journalists. Sharia Jamaat claimed responsibility for the murder. [30]

 

I have. And the editorials there today are no less venomous than they were in US papers in the 70s. The US going into Iraq was no better or worse than Russia rolling into Georgia. Invading a sovereign nation is still invading a sovereign nation. It is inexcusable.

So I stand by my earlier statement. There are no innocent parties, neither is better than the other.