America: The Police State

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by lunarverse, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. RooRshack

    RooRshack On Sabbatical

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    Yeah.

    If you talk to the most conservative people you meet, most of them will turn out to REALLY be the most liberal people you've met, they just think they're conservative because of one or two of the hotbutton talking points that's been designed to get people like them.j
     
  2. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    What freaks me are the well meaning conservative neighbors who are ready and willing to report any and whatever they consider to be suspicious activity.
     
  3. love-laughter

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    No it won't. Well not in the way you might think.
    It just looks great on TV when they beat the hell out of you.

    You got to embarrass and do everything possible to stop these fucks.
    I sincerely doubt that we're going to win this fight. But it's now coming down to a question of how were going to end. Personally, I'm not going down without making them pay for it.
     
  4. slappyman

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    About a month ago some group actually went around and hung fliers on everyone's door in the neighborhood instructing us on just how to do that and what to look for and how there were rewards and the whole ball of wax. I wish I had kept it now, it pissed me off so much I pitched it.

    But that's OK because apparently they are teaching mailmen and meter readers on what to look out for.
     
  5. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    There are definitely different standards across the US and it is difficult to get a pulse overall. Some people like to imagine though, that the US should enjoy a homogeneous moral sense, and that can create a sense of oppression. I don't think it is out of line or disrespectful to individuals living in a bona fide police state to feel put upon. Pain is pain.
     
  6. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    This is ONLY true due to the labels the media has used to influence elections. The media continues to perpetuate the myth that there are only two points of view on any issue. This helps drive a wedge through the citizenry, putting people in opposing camps. As long as people are divided along political lines, they can be easily manipulated.

    I can give you a good example. The Libertarian movement is a granfalloon, a fucking joke because it supposedly includes two contrary points of view, economic libertarianism and social libertarism. One champions the rights of business to do whatever it wants without regulation, and the other favors the rights of individuals to do whatever they like without regulation. While there is overlap here, there is also plenty of conflict, not always obvious either.

    In any case, libertarians can't agree on much cause they really are a diverse group (which is good, imo). However, that is why they will never be effective as a party, and therefore, no threat to the status quo. Yet they can be manipulated into voting conservative, with many social libertarians feeling alienated who probably won't vote.

    And so they created the Tea Party for precisely the same reasons. To channel the discontent with government into conservative votes.

    Have we EVER seen such media manipulation of the masses as was done to create the Tea Party? Gotta give credit to the media for creating yet another granfalloon.
     
  7. Meliai

    Meliai Members

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    Perhaps America cannot be considered a police state compared to other countries that have no personal freedoms, but the fact of the matter is that the Patriot Act gives the federal government broad powers and if the conditions were favorable, the Patriot Act gives a legal precedent for America to become a police state.

    Does anyone live in a small town? One does not have to consider the federal level only to see how America is moving towards becoming a police state. I live close to a very small, sleepy southern town that spends a ridiculous amount of the local budget to fund the police force. Why would a town with a population of under 10,000 and an extremely low level of crime need a police force with close to 100 cops on the payroll?
     
  8. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Here's some stats for those who like 'em...


    • The total number of justice employees grew 86% between 1982 and 2003 with the Federal Government having the largest percentage increase - 168%.
    • Total per capita expenditure for each justice function increased between 1982 and 2003, with corrections having the largest per capita increase - 423%.
    • The total direct justice expenditure for all levels of governments grew from $36 billion in 1982 to $185 billion in 2003, a 418% increase.
    Source: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1017

    MORAL? THERE'S LOTS OF PROFIT IN A POLICE STATE!

    More Stats:The budget for the federal Drug Enforcement Administration has increased 40-fold since its inception in 1973, from $65 million (and 2,800 employees) to $2.6 billion (11,000) in 2009.

    So how's that going for them? 40xs more money must mean there's only 1/40th as much drugs as back in 1973, right? I mean the more they spend, the more effective they are, right? So there's no illegal drugs in the USA anymore, right? They are SOOO effective, aren't they?

    Yes, the DEA is very effective at transporting drugs and making profits from it that nobody ever sees... I wonder how that contract with XE is going? Is XE (formerly blackwater) still moving product for the DEA or for themselves now I wonder?
     
  9. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Uh, the question of WMDs was brought up constantly by the media.

    That's cute, you think the media is lock step with the government.

    What you fail to mention is that was just one massive protest, while on Feb. 15, 2003 over 400,000 took to the streets of NYC, and there were simultaneous protests in Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco, D.C. and numerous other cities. Sorry our country is too vast for everyone to congregate in one city.

    Right, except the police in most countries can detain someone for between 48-72 hours before having to release them. Damn you America, errr, I mean world.



    They allow peaceful protests in other countries, but not in the USA anymore. They're too fucking paranoid.[/QUOTE]

    Right, just gonna continue living in my police state wet dream and ignore the hundreds if not thousands of protests that go on every year.


    Seriously calling the US a fascist state is hysterical and purposely meant to inflame. It's no better than the news stations constantly using the term Nazi, communist, ect, it destroys all chance of a rational debate because you just choose to ignore pragmatic reality.
     
  10. skip

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    OK, if the US isn't a police state, then please explain why the US has the #1 incarceration rate in the world.

    And gee, doesn't that make the USA the greatest country in the world? More like the greatest fascist state!

    I think Americans should be very proud that they are so efficient at finding and imprisoning such a large portion of the overall population that it's actually a profit center for Big Corporations. They also make a LOT of money from the slave labor at their prisons.

    That's the AMERICCCAN WAY!


    [​IMG]

    Also the US imprisons nearly 7 times the # of people (per capita) than China. And China is the US scapegoat for human rights?
     
  11. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Exactly. They're going to fill those new jails (if the bill is passed) with young people and medical cannabis patients who are made criminals under the new laws put in place with the same bill.

    It's essentially an all-in-one "fuck you" bill. It proposes laws that will (purposely) target medical cannabis patients as well as younger people, while at the same time proposes spending billions to make new prisons to put them in. They haven't even commited a crime yet and there's already a freshly painted cell waiting for them. Doesn't even smell like urine yet...
     
  12. skip

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    Guess no one here can rise to the challenge of explaining why the US isn't a police state when it incarcerates more people per capita than any other country on earth including Russia and China - the countries with no respect for human rights, right?

    So the US IS a Police State, after all. Thanks for agreeing.
     
  13. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    As I think someone else already said, it is a matter of degrees. Sure, we may have longer leashes or politicians that are better at hiding their true intent, but it is still a police state to some degree. Perhaps not as bad or as in-your-face as other countries, especially ones overseas, but a spade is a spade.
     
  14. lillallyloukins

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    that's where the powers that be are so clever... or try to be at least... the Police State operates in a covert manner most of the time... when it is left no choice but to operate overtly, and we get to see some pics, we rarely get the full story, and if we get anywhere close, it is complained about for sure, but nothing seems to be done about it, other than the "disposables" who take the brunt of things... this is something i have witnessed over a long period of time... (the last 30 years or so) ofcourse it has gone on a lot longer than that... i am only referring to things i have actually lived through and was conscious of...

    a quote from the American dictionary on my computer:
    [police state
    noun
    a totalitarian state controlled by a political police force that secretly supervises the citizens' activities.]

    errrrm... i voted yes!


    EDIT: sorry luna, i kinda said the same thing as you there... didn't see your post...
     
  15. lillallyloukins

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    i must have missed that too.... sounds like "the word police"!... i think Nazi is a good metaphor for what is happening in the USA...

    the collusion of American Corporations with the Nazis during WWII and the collusion of the American Government with Japan after the war with regards to live human torture and experimentation (Hirohito's little baby, as i call it) are far more of a fucking insult to humankind don't you think?
     
  16. skip

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    US PRISONERS ARE SLAVES!

    Read what U.S. prisoners make for US corporations like Walmart, Starbucks, Victoria's Secret and Microsoft. They get paid pennies to minimum wage for their work.

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2008/07/what-do-prisoners-make-victorias-secret

    How much do Federal inmates make?
    As I recall during the Third Reich, Germans businesses made tons of money from the slave labor of prisoners. But the US is SOOOO different, right?

    BTW, companies that hire inmates try to keep it a big secret due to bad publicity for them when it becomes public.

     
  17. Nyxx

    Nyxx HELLO STALKER

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    I have become so depressed...living in America.
     
  18. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Nobody is forced to work in prison, in fact in most cases it's seen as an earned privilege, especially paying jobs. Not to mention the fact paying prisoners a substantial amount of money makes for easy targets. Nobody is going ransom someone over the 80 cents an hour they make in the machine shop since it can be assumed all of the money is being spent in the prison's store, and money wired in from family is easy to keep secret. You know the person is making $190 a week the whole situation changes, the irony is I don't think anyone would want to work at that point out of fear.

    Also our prisoners are in there for more of a crime than just being a certain religious group. Hilarious, you're comparing US prisons to the round up of Jews into concentration camps in WW2. Lemme call the Shoah foundation and see what they think about that.

    Also New York is closing some of its prisons
    http://www.npr.org/2011/01/27/133276372/new-york-gov-threatens-to-mothball-more-prisons
     
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    dont get me started on prisons.. lol.. it wouldnt be to long, before they being using inmates on the organ transplant list. Got to keep the elite living, you know....

    here they give them new organs.. I think its a trap though. hes just a better burglar now, once hes out jail. he employing hundreds of leos when he steps over the line, and he will... job security.. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/31/health/main326305.shtml
     
  20. blackcat666

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    let's see... junior high school, san antonio, texas, 1971... me, asserting my right to assocate with a girl during lunch, to the vice prinicple; the vp said to me, "you have no rights! when you are here at this school, you are a ward of the state of texas. i am a public servant and representative of the state of texas... AND YOU WILL OBEY!

    american schools = totalitarian police state.

    i'm on the federal government's "no fly" list, which prohbitis me and others, from flying in, out of, or over the united states, without due explantion or due process.

    twice i have had to go to canada so i could get a flight... YEA CANADA! :cheers2:
    FUCK THE U.S.A.!
    :mad:

    i'm sure since i work for the aclu that is one of the reasons i'm on the government's shit list.
     

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