An Athiest's Prayer

thedope:

lol Being equal to oneself in any instance isn't to have an equal 'scale' in being! The commitment to being, the dedication to life, the will to existence, - do not exist! We live before we know life.

Of course it doesn't, but that doesn't mean it doesn't stand all others, that it isn't inclusive of all others, that is, with the exception of 0. lol Be a creator instead of an equator thedope! Or do you think it might kill you?! :-D

Nor one I deny you. What, is it not enough for you to find room for it? :-D

No. Let's put reason and principle to the test and cut straight to the facts. It really is as though you think facts exist without perception! A thing may of course, but a fact is only ever a certain hold we have on a thing, not a thing in itself.

Not my belief. Knowledge of anything without the self is impossible. You say knowledge isn't always perceived. You are bonkers? Compared to me at least! lol

I didn't mean it to be. I don't care to sift through your explanation of an untruth. Remembering is not forgetting, let alone selective forgetting.

This is true. Judging by your words, I find I am in agreement with you in almost everything. The matter of 'kill or be killed' seems to be the exception. Now, such a matter as you well know may never come to matter, but if it did? :-D I will never trust a man that isn't for himself, if only because I have to trust that he is! lol

 

I thought you said knowledge is always perceived. You breathe before you know you are, an excellent point that I have been sharing with you, the organic scripting of biological development.

I am creator as opposed to contender.

It is. Seems though it was necessary to disassociate yourself from it's probability of occurring for you.

You mean you are only certain you have an idea of yourself?

That is the way you interpreted what I said.
I have said that perception is not knowledge but can lead to it. Thinking that perception is knowledge is the reason we can be deceived by appearances.

As far as knowing anything without the self. Self can only be known by self knowledge being shared but we can know each other and more than self can be known.

I am giving you an eye witness account. I quit smoking tobacco. A resolve often evolved into a reverie of potential relief from irritation and I found it helpful to forcefully put it from my mind. The statement is meaningful in a process of altering habit/addiction.

There is for as an advocate and there is for as in agreement. In this world we exist for and with each other.

 

It's always perceived. Knowledge is nothing apart of ongoing knowing. You drew breath before you knew it, but you didn't know that until you perceived you did.

LOL! As opposed?! But you always say creation is law without opposite, and you're not wrong! Now why would a creator be opposed to contenders, that is, if ones creation wasn't under contention in ones own evaluation. :-D What is ones creation after all if one doesn't contend that it is?! Shall I keep turning it for you? I'll level with you. We are all contenders for our creation, but not our being created.

It has never been necessary for me to dissociate myself from the probability of your satisfaction occurring for me. lol Do you follow? If you are sated in love, what business is it of mine?!

I mean knowledge is always perceived.

No, that we can be deceived by appearances doesn't mean perception isn't knowledge, only that there is more to it.

Naturally. As I said, knowledge of anything without the self is impossible.

If this is your way of saying you're addicted to me, you don't have to selectively forget me, but you may have to force yourself not to indulge our smoking correspondence. lol

Man, the grasp you had on that maximality of expression seems stricken by stages for what for may mean! :-D Go with the flow dude! That is, if you know that's how you want to go! lol

 

I am not the only thing known or knowable.
It was known before I perceived it, as a matter of fact people recorded the event of my birth before I remember being conscious. All being is shared whether you perceive it or not. Although as a baby not quite self conscious I was quite informative of those around me. They weighed and measured me and tried to anticipate or decipher what I might need. Your body being a record of life is concerted knowing whether you are aware of it or not.

You are contenders in creation if contention is what you desire. Your creations are how you inspire the world around you, and in turn how the world appears to you. I am not opposed to contenders but I do not believe contention lends anything but. Nothing has ever come to me but with my whole hearted blessing even though I may have known abuse I have not been victimized. We do not try to create, we create through being, unceasingly.

I make art pieces but those are not my creations, my creations are the reactive reflections of those who witness those artifacts and the way I myself am articulated as I make and display those things. All measure of having is in being.

I do follow. It seems you think peace an enemy to love or to dynamism. I do not think that desire implies dissatisfaction I think that desire is never full, it's purpose to keep you interested when you otherwise might not be concerned. The gene just has to keep pumping out copies of itself. The taste for being traffic control for the unintended. I find tasteful arrangement in all nature in and around me. I am not sated but perpetually satisfied.

Unless, you, don't perceive it. There are reflections of yourself that you do not know you produce just as you went through infancy.

We can be flat wrong in our subjective assessments of objective things and that can be tragic in time, like perceiving a need to burn witches.

Not stages, they are different qualities of experience, advocate and agree. We are going down the river regardless whether swimming with or against the current.

 

What is imparted of knowledge to record, is record. All being shared doesn't mean knowledge isn't always perception.

"Concerted knowing, whether known or not" lol Nothing more to say to you on this thedope. I would feel I was hindering a particular phrasing you find useful for this that or the other. :-D

Peace is no enemy. Like knowledge being perception, I know no peace that is not harmony. Again, nothing more to say to you on this.

No, it is always perceived. I am not all knowing. Again, nothing more to say to your particular understanding here.

So what? You keep trying to make a case to judge not, using your judgement no less. Thankfully it's only yours. lol

The river of life? Oh, I'm only going across! I hope you aren't cross!?

See you on the oth...er, when I see you! :-D

 

Another thread hijacked by the semantics jihad!