an old one but a goodie - dear warmonger and war supporter why won't you go to iraq?

How so?

I'm not sure how it would destroy a persons argument (if they had a good one) Or, to be fair, what argument you are talking about.
Maybe you see the one question irrevocably linked to the other (do you think we should have gone in/ should we be there still)?
Maybe that is why people think your logic is flawed.
I'll humour you though.

If your answer to my previous question is not this, then fair enough.

Hell, there are more things to do out there than to "join up" to the military.
But as you are specifically talking about the army, I take it, I'll attempt to answer that point.
I'd go to Iraq as a support officer, maybe even go do some teaching or help with reconstruction (I don't want to do any fighting thanks).
So, maybe the TA is more suited to me.
Yeah sure, if my life pointed me in that direction I'd join the TA.

You have to think that if you "join up", there is no guarantee you will be shipped out there (very likely though).
Plus when your tour of duty is over, what do you do then?
Say, well, this "guy" told me I should go "Join up" and go to Iraq, but now I want to leave.
Quite rightly you would be laughed at, for being monumentally stupid.

Plus, why does support or understanding and agreement, then equate to you having to go out there?

But, I don't suppose your logic encompasses any of this reality, does it?

Like the majority of people in this thread, I can't see your logic.

I've humoured you know.

 

gutless

 

Why?

I posted my thoughts and you condescend them...way to go.

Why don't you answer the other points I raised?

 

fair enough

 

right then

thats all cleared up

the war mongers and supporters and lovers of jehova won't go and fight the enemy.

case solved

for now

 

You really are an idiot...

 

i am an idiot because you are too gutless to fight in a war you champion??

 

Have I championed anything ?
Don't think so chap.

You are an idiot because you're not into having a discussion here, you just want everybody to agree with you. That is idiotic. I probably should have saved my energy and listened to cadruzer.

 

oh really??

pray do tell oh enlightened one so us oafs may learn something of your wisdom

answer the question

save your insults for some other internet forum

why oh why oh why?

won't the apologists and warmongers go to war??

oh never mind....

if you you are looking for something about the war from cadcruzer they you really are saving your energy for looking any other opinion than your own.

what exactly do you champion, you won't say.

do you support the war on iraq?

its funny that whilst i'm supposedly an idiot you can clearly not answer a question from someone that you class as an idiot. who's the bigger idiot now??

 

No, I'm not looking to find anything about the war from Cadruzer
Just he seemed to have an insight of you as a poster.
From your interactions with me, Cadruzer seem to have been correct in his assertions about you.
But, I am quite willing for him to be proven wrong, and my assumption you are an idiot to be dispeled.
It would be a pleasure not to be so knee jerked about this.

I never "champion" anything really.

I understand why we are there and I challenge peoples view this war is about oil or some imperialistic push for power.
Support it, not in the general sense of the word, no.

You asked: Why don't I go to Iraq.
I answered you, I would.
But, clearly not in the capacity you would like me to be.

 

this is all a grim amusement i suppose

you don't champion anything - so exactly what do you give some support to? do you support the war on iraq? if you you are looking at for some illumination of myself from anyone i'd say cadcruzer is hardly a beacon of light. exactly how would you go to iraq? i've met quite few idiots in my time, many of them like you rarely answer any of my very irksome questions.

so do you support the iraq war?

 

I support: http://www.concern.net/

I understand why we are there and I challenge peoples view this war is about oil or some imperialistic push for power.
Support it? Not in the general sense of the word, no.

He has been pretty bloody accurate so far.

I've told you, what more do you want me to say?

I have answered you, obviously not to your liking.
Your questions are not irksome, they are just slightly ridiculous.

I do accept it was the right thing to do with the evidence presented at the time.
With the luxury of hindsight i'd probably not think the way I did.
Nothing the apposing points of view have informed me since have altered my mind per se.
But, like most rational people my mind has altered over time.
If you want a 4 year old debate about it - sorry pal, no can do.
"guy" is not here enough for me to do that for one thing.
I'm not entering in to a debate with somebody like you in any case.
No offence.
That is based on my own observations, nobody elses.
If you want to bleat on, because I have not said NO, I must be a warmonger, Cadruzer is even more right about you than I thought.
You are setting up your own rules and premise, which are churlish in nature (maybe you are not an idiot).

 

BTW have you another incarnation here?

 

i would love nothing more than killing muslims but they wouldnt accept me with my long ass record. Hell i got a case pending.

 

Join Blackwater, they don't give a shit.

 

in the name of brevity

this thread is for war mongers and war supporters , you are clearly supposedly not a war supporter , you have declared your hand as not supporting the war in "general".

what i do find amusing is your offence to my question and the questions it raises. i'm not overwhelmed by anti war supporters berating me for my wrong thinking about this, indeed in this thread it is overwhelmingly - you.

this thread is like a little honey pot for war mongers and war supporters but you alas are no war monger (are you?)
and no war supporter (now)
(you changed your mind about the iraq war remember?).

you have received your revelation like st paul on the road to damascus and have converted like most "rational" people.

i like your approach.

you can take me to task for calling out war supporters whilst also saying that you no longer support the war on iraq, very clever, indeed it is the best response i've got so far, its certainly more polished and slippery than i am used to but...

there is a problem

there was overwhelming evidence that iraq had no weapons of destruction, the weapons inspectors said as much, remember sean penn jetting to iraq and the westerners going in as human shields to stop the bombs - civillians from our side going to iraq. all these little clues somehow bypassed you , the massive evidence for no casus beli somehow passed you by. today you tell me after untold casualties and untold billions that you have some magical insight to my nature and character and how my line of argument is ridiculous and how you don't support the war - in general.


this line of thinking is a non sequitor.

how can someone so blind to the massive evidence put before him at the very beginning hold any understanding about myself and the war on iraq? perhaps that this is why cadcruzer is lauded as being "bloody accurate" which is not just worrying its downright disturbing.
further clues that all is not well.

a rational mind doesn't ignore the massive clues that there was no basis to the attack on iraq. so much for your "observations". perhaps you should do more observation?

if you aren't "entering into debate" why did you start in the first place and why are you still here? perhaps you could set your mind to this stone and push it? does this all sound familiar? maybe you should allow yourself someof that luxury of hindsight to help you out?

no offence pal

 

War is sometimes required, right?
But, chearleading and continualy saying what a wonderful Idea it is is just plain crazy.
I still think the initial decision was the right one.
That is why I said: "In general".

I don't respect your tone, your assertions and your conclusions.
If you find that amusing, so be it.

No I am not a warmonger.
No I don't support this war anymore, I want them all to come home asap.
No, I have not changed my mind about the war, I still think it was the right thing to do.
It is just my mind is more informed now, I hope.
So I have changed my mind to have more of a substantive viewpoint.

I most deffinitly have not converted to your way of thinking, I assure you.

What approach?
You may be misreading me.

I'll make myself clear.
I'm taking you to task, because of the premise people should be going to Iraq because they have fallen foul of you rules.
Your rules suck.

I just did not study events as much as I do now.
So my opinion was based on a wafer thin study of the situation.
Good Bad Right Wrong etc etc etc.
Now it is hopfuly not.
I do know what Sean Penn did now.
I was hardly hanging on his every word at the at the time.
I was not giving him a second though, to be honest.
Albeit a little late in the game, I have caught up on his views.
I can now appreciate he is a prize twat.

Correct me if I am wrong then.
People who supported the war should be trotting off to Iraq.
"support" having a negative connotation; you defining it as being a "warmonger".

It may have been there, but I was not taking as much notice as I should.
Now I do, and my POV has hopfuly matured.
You speak as if there were only one possible way of seeing this issue and any other is the wrong way.
How arrogant and pompous is that?
You come across quite self rightious and slightly polemical
That is what I am feeling about you, and how you seem to come across in some of the other threads I have seen you in.

He seemed more right than wrong.

Regardless of my actual opinion, your attitude stinks and presumptions are shallow.
I'm not nationalistic; I'm not religous, I'm not particulary keen on killing muslims because they did not have WMD.
But, that is how your initial post reads people who support the war are.
But, even given I am none of the above, I have a feeling you would still hurl the same crap my way.
I'd still be trotting off to Iraq because I am a "warmonger", right?

I answered your question, thats all.
I'm not entering in to a debate about the Iraq war.
"guy" is here too fleetingly and unpredictably.
I'm not going to keep my eye on this thread in the hope you may respond over the course of god knows how long.
Like I said, "guy" is not here often enough.
I'd just lose interest, as I am now.
Plus, it is an old debate I have had way too many times.

 

Ton- a -more dough too

 

So Guy:

Its harvest time for the cane.

When are you off to Cuba to join your socialist/nihilist comrades in harvesting the sugar cane crop? Have you selected your machete?

I hear they have a labor shortage on La Isla and could use your assistance.

Will you work for food coupons?


:biggrinjester:

 

i see a new animal has evolved

you don't just have war supporters you have war supporter supporters

that is people who can claim to have nothing to do with the war, ignored all the of the many clues that proved that iraq was a false conflict and now have the gall to attack anyone who dare ask the war supporters to go and fight their war - if they dare.

in the end the war supporter supporters are on shaky ground too, you can't have your cake and eat it. i doubt if anyone so blind to believe in the war in the first place would be able to make any quantum leap in thinking to realise the attack on iraq was unjustified, or at least think "in general" it wasn't a good idea.

you can paint me as a communist, facist, hippy or village idiot as much as you like but it isn't too hard to knock down the intellectual garbage of the war supporters and their supporters (!).

yes reality is painful but its better that you start facing facts than the magical fantasy land of the whitehouse and its current "leader".

if you can't handle the problem of why war mongers and supporters won't go to their beloved war - get real, this is the "america attacks forum". if you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the question don't get involved.