Anarchists

if everyone is voting to make laws, guess what, everyone is a ruler


democracy is a form of government

 

dude non authoritarian


While the Greek words anarchos and anarchia are often taken to mean "having no government" or "being without a government," as can be seen, the strict, original meaning of anarchism was not simply "no government." "An-archy" means "without a ruler," or more generally, "without authority,"

For this reason, rather than being purely anti-government or anti-state, anarchism is primarily a movement against hierarchy.

im not anarchist, i am for direct democracy

 

You sure are dense.

Am I a ruler in my country because America is a democracy and I vote? No.

 

Okay, I have always thought that anarchy sounds kind of interesting and I do support communism in as many ways that I actually understand it, so I may be on the same level as others on this thread.

My question is: If there is no authority, would people still be punished for crime? How would this happen?

I honestly do not think that it is possible to have a world without authority or leadership because eventually someone will have to make a choice or decision because of things that are going on that they don't understand to be just or right.

Even at Woodstock, which was many people's belief to be proof that these kinds of things might work, there was authority and leaders to keep things organized and non-chaotic. So really think about a world with no authority, teachers can't teach without some power over the students, parents can't keep their children out of trouble. Those kinds of things may not be what you meant but I know that you meant that police and government authority should be gotten rid of. But in these cases the consequences of not being able to control some people (I cannot believe I just typed that, I'm trying to prove why people need control! I feel like I could be contradicting my beliefs ) in order to keep crimes like murder, theft and rape kept out of society.

I believe someone above mentioned something about such things not happening because the people would work together, but the truth is, there are people with mental illness and people with different views on what is right and wrong, or simply just greedy people like you see in society every day. The point I'm trying to make here is: How can a world with no governing power or authority exist for more than a few years? Has there been any countries, tribes, or any other sort of group of people who have used this kind of system that you can think of?

 

The Spanish and the Russians did it! And it worked for a few years until the finally the monarchists in spain waged war and fucked everything up. As for Russia, I'm not really sure what happened. Basically Anarchy slowly turned into communism with Lenin and everything.

 

anarchy in action is coopration, universaly
so my answer isnt how do you stop people from being people, but how do you empower the people to really be people
if you saw someone sick & you were a chemist & knew how to create a medicine to heal them, woyldnt you do it regardless of a government?
the fact is greeed prevents many meds from hitting the market
eiminate that factor & you have people helping people just cause thats the natural tendency.
same goes for preventing the 1% from killing everyone, how can the 1% do anything when the 99% stands up & takes responcibility to stop them..
anarchy in action is concensus, universal acceptance
see a need & fill it..cooperation
it has worked wonderfully for many years on the scale of a few hundred thousand, perhaps a couple million people, but hasnt been attempted on a grander scale..it would work however, but only once society & peoples attitudes evolve sufficiently

 

see www.welcomehome.org or the rainbow family forum here
through tribal council, every person having a voice, nothing happens unless its totaly agreed on (sometimes concensus doesnt exactly mean you "agree" but that you can at least live with the descision) as for how do we deal with crime, forst off, theres hardly any, because we dont use $ only barter or more often kust giving from the heart we eliminate the greed factor
but sometimes there is the case of mental illness or someone who just cant behave, so we have a term, sante sena (maybe spelled wrong? means peaceful place, i think in lakota) if a situation comes up requiring intervention, you yell it out, & the call spreads throughout the area, & everyone comes running, every person there is "law enforcement" every person taking responcibility for everyone elses safety & happiness,
this system has been wotrking 35 years, in every country in the world..with no leaders or organization,,
so to answer your question, yes its possible

 

em, that council is a government......


i.e. not anarchy......


also what about all those folk who complain about A camp assholes?

there are minor problems on that scale, what happens when you get to a scale where nuclear weapons are an issue?

 

you sure are dense, a government, governing body, ruling body, body which holds Pow-er.....

if all the people hold power which no government is in the world because THERE ARE NO TRUE DEMOCRACIES IN THE WORLD, if you think there is one, really go looking, there aren't any, maybe on small scales, but nothing on the scale people are talking about, a true democracy like you are talking about, is everyone voting on every single law, everyone is a member of the legislature, they are members of the house\senate, they are legislators



learn some fucking poli-sci before you call me dense,

DEMOCRACY=SUPER FUCKING BIG GOVERNMENT

ANARCHY=NO GOVERNMENT

wow, a fucking child can get this but you have so completly shielded yourself from true fact that you are going to deny reality to eternity aren't you?

 

dude i just have to say your an asshole atlest debate with out going crazy and swearing why make a thread just to rip people apart and not even see what there saying and try to understand it and then make a statement about your own opinon, there is governing to anarchy its not a government but people still need to orginize themselfs to help better there way of life, why would so many people support anarchy if there was no bettering because of it

 

There's NO Democracy in Anarchy.


There's NO Majority rule.

There's no Organization.

Only the natural spontaneous actions of an unrepressed people who already know what to do.

Enculturated from birth and sharing the experience of everyday; everyday.

In Anarchy every man is following his own sacred star, walking his own spirit path through this life.

In Anarchy we're all related fellow travelers, helping each other on our individual paths and sharing our lives freely and openly.

There's no A-Camp, because there's no judgement, no repressed and unhealthy slaves of guilt desperately seeking a moment's refuge.

 

because to say you are an anarchist then say that anarchy isn't anarchy is stupid


the fact that you have yet to realize this is incredible

I swear because logic won't get through your skull and you started the name calling first frankly

99% of anarchists are idiots, the rest are sociopaths, it's the nature of the creature

there is no organization because organization is government, power vacuums get filled

unless you killed off most of the population and destroyed all of the technology on this earth then labotomized the survivors you could not have actual anarchy, not based on the actual meaning of the word


and why the hell did you pick up a broken political philosophy?

 

dude im not an anarchist ive said that a couple times already,where are you getting anarchy is just people do wahtever they want when ever there still has to be some kind of orginization so people can get enough food like i said if everyone was just doing whatever they want whenever whenever they want why do so many people support it

L. Susan Brown:

"While the popular understanding of anarchism is of a violent, anti-State movement, anarchism is a much more subtle and nuanced tradition then a simple opposition to government power. Anarchists oppose the idea that power and domination are necessary for society, and instead advocate more co-operative, anti-hierarchical forms of social, political and economic organisation." [The Politics of Individualism, p. 106]




Anarchy means "not necessarily absence of order, as is generally supposed, but an absence of rule." [Benjamin Tucker, Instead of a Book, p. 13]


there is still organisation in anarchy,
also I AM NOT A ANARCHIST so please stop calling me one






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just because some people wrote it doesn't make it so.....


there are people who wrote that elves are real, should I quote them and say "LOOK THEY ARE THEY ARE!!!!!"

it's a broken idea, it's not the way it's represented and so many people have taken their own political ideas and put them under the heading of anarchy then some idiots pick it up and say "look, I'm an anarchist because I believe this..."


anarchy is an absence of government, that is what it means, without government people won't have order, any organizational system anyone comes up with is a government, so anything that is an organizational system isn't anarchy (no matter what someone who got published says)

as to true anarchists, people who really don't want government or organization, they are sociopaths, or idiots, because they either don't understand people are going to start killing each other, or they want that

anarchy = broken idea

anarchy = indefensible position

 

yes but see people made the idea of anarchy ideas can change, the fact that elves eccest does not becuase its not proven, ideas can not be proven, so who came up with anarchy one dude made up the whole idea and it cant change because he said so...,there are ideas that are changed and added to in every field,where are you getting your facts then to tell me mine are wronge also there is killing going on today even with laws and government, someone doesnt say hey i wont kill that guy cause the cop will get me if someone wants to realy kill someone they will do it law or not last ,last i knew there are murders everyday day in the world, people are still ruled by dictators and are slaughterd by war for power and money

 

but the word anarchy doesn't mean what most "anarchists" say it means

then they say it soesn't mean total chaos

guess what, it does, it means utter chaos until the power vacuum is filled,

it's a broken idea, it's a broken concept, it works no more than an engine whth holes in all the cylinders, just no way

 

maybe you just don't understand the actual word that you use as a title for this broken philosophy

 

there is more then one meaing to alot of words,also once again the meaning of a word can change because of new ideas that come along

ETYMOLOGY:
New Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhi, from anarkhos, without a ruler : an-, without ; see [size=-1]a-[/size] 1 + arkhos, ruler ; see [size=-1]-arch[/size]

do you want to debate the meaning of the word, or just spit out the same bullshit...?

 

Anarchy = Without ruler.

Next question: What constitutes a ruler?

Dictionary.com defines ruler as:

"One, such as a monarch or dictator, that rules or governs" Ruling comes from a state of authority.

Therefore, it implies a ruler is an individual or a group of individuals that govern. An institute that governs is given sovereignty. Power.

Thus, if anarchy is without a ruler, it is without organization, for organization implies rule and authority to organize in one way or another. Anarchy is a state where every individual is on his or her own. Thomas Hobbes calls this the "State of Nature".

However, this is highly unlikely to remain permanently in such a state, because human beings are, in majority, social creatures, and will gather in groups over time. If you look at history, you will see any temporary state of anarchy as eventually being re-instituted with law, either by a central government, or sub-governments. All it takes for anarchy to cease is an individual that holds power, and this power may simply be his size, strength, and weaponry.

So, it would simply take a group of individuals who band together and impose their will on others with force, and thus authority, to cease the anarchy.

Anarchy is without rule, but if rule simply constitutes authority, then truly anarchy is a very temporary state at best, in which the power shuffles from one group to another.

 

an·ar·chy Audio pronunciation of "anarchy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nr-k)
n. pl. an·ar·chies

1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.


po·lit·i·cal Audio pronunciation of "political" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (p-lt-kl)
adj.

1. Of, relating to, or dealing with the structure or affairs of government, politics, or the state.
2. Relating to, involving, or characteristic of politics or politicians: “Calling a meeting is a political act in itself” (Daniel Goleman).
3. Relating to or involving acts regarded as damaging to a government or state: political crimes.
4. Interested or active in politics: I'm not a very political person.
5. Having or influenced by partisan interests: The court should never become a political institution.
6. Based on or motivated by partisan or self-serving objectives: a purely political decision.

dis·or·der Audio pronunciation of "disorder" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ds-ôrdr)
n.

1. A lack of order or regular arrangement; confusion.
2. A breach of civic order or peace; a public disturbance.
3. An ailment that affects the function of mind or body: eating disorders and substance abuse.



and you already posted your etymological shit


by the way did you know that etymologically shit, sword and scissor all come from the same word..... just because that's it's root doesn't mean it is it's actual meaning


for instance, the root gym means naked.....


do you lift weights at your gym naked?