Then it must be very easy to prove. So prove it. There is no planned economy in a communist society. Well, give us some examples. Oh and please give us some proof how communism can exist without a democracy. Why should slavery exist? What do you think yourself? Why do you ask me? Every theory we know of today has been created by human beings. Why don't you start act like a human being and figure out some problems yourself? Oh wait, you are an intellectual free rider, aren't you? Well, this is how I solve it.
Your anarchism assumes people have an innate desire to live in cooperation and compassion. That the current system is WHAT actually promotes negativities such as greed and abuse of power, that the disolving of governmental control will in turn disolve these vices. I believe your ideology naively disregards human nature (which can be accurately percieved through the nature of other animals.) Without a central administrative body, your communism is relying once again on this naive perception of human nature. Not only that you deny actual logistical problems that is fine until your fantasty must be put into real action. I personally believe everthing should be voluntary. If you do not want to work, you can reap the benefits of your noncontribution (nothing). Hypothetically, say 50% of the population worked and the other 50%, noting that work is voluntary did not work. Do you think that a) the non working 50% deserve to be supported? b) that the working 50% will not resent the nonworking 50%? c) that general inequity in working and full equity in wealth is conducive to a stable society? In all of this are you assuming that everyone will lose concern for themselves for the betterment of the whole? Seems very naive. Your solutions to seem to be to ignore the problem. Why are you timid about going into the actual logistics of your philosophy?
Not neccesarily, if people see that both society (which is made up of individuals) and the individual are both benefiting from the circle of consumption and production. Are you aware of that most of humanity's history consist of a primitive version of this system? What is human nature? "Human nature" has changed, and will change, according to what system we live in. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their beeing, but on the contrary, it is their social being that determines their consciousness.
See above. Could you elaborate? If they do refuse to work because they are lazy, it can be brought up at meetings. How embarrasing would it be to be brought up as a problem during a meeting? If they would refuse to work, social pressure can be used. In the worst case scenario, if a person behave in a bad way, they can be expelled from the community. Would you, or would you not choose to work in such a society? Also, why are you say negative? I suppose you are because of the inhumanity of today's world (ie system), but you seem to not realize that you support the same system. You are for preserving the status quo. Why have you lost faith on humanity? There are great figures like Jesus, Enresto "Che" Guevara, Nelson Mandela who have, to a large degree, brought faith to humanity. They have all confronted the establishment, the status quo. Jesus against the romans, Ernesto against capitalism and US colonialism, and Nelson against the apartheid. Who would you rather see leading our planet? People who believe the people on earth are a rotten pile of shit, or people who see a better future, amidst the darkness that surround our world?
Just one question: Communism has never been truly observed as efficient in nations, is this due to the inability of its theory to match up to the random variables of life, or to the corrupt intent of those who wished to establish Communism as a means to a dictatorship? Both?
Exactly; the inablility of its theory to match up to the random variables of life. Marx and Engel's dialectical materialism fails to factor in the complete organic evolution of a society's full dialectical process. Their rational scientific materialism fails to recognize the deep psycho-sexual motivations behind Private Property. They failed to recognize that Private Property is a grasping anal-retentive manifestation of Civilized Man's notorious mal-development through the anal-stage of sexual development. Marx and Engels failed to recognize that Civilized Communist Cadres can not escape their homo-erotic sado-masochistic impulses. Anarchy and Communism is not possible given the perverted sexual development of the Old World Civilized psyche. Even the Greeks were afraid of Anarchy, and they coined the term. Anarchy and Communism, however, was successful for many thousands of years amongst most of the New World Indigenious Peoples. And if you study the Indigenious method of child raising through the oral and anal stages of sexual development you will understand why. But it is un-realistic to expect Anarchy or Communism to be achieved in the psycho-pathic environment of our Old World Civilization.
Please! Allow me, Something very interesting to take a look at here is two different types of society. One type is the survivor society, where humans since the beginning of time have been a slaved to in order to survive. This is truly our natural society, not only because it is what we a beings are born in to. But I also dont believe that humans would aloow themselves to starve to death. I have faith that humans will do waht they have to in order to survive, no matter how lazy they want to be. O.k...? So, the Survival society is based off of necesity. And Im a filmmmaker not by forced but by desire so humans will naturally work in what feild they truly desire to, And be it GOD, or talent but every human specializes in something humans could use for survival. Thus farmers, carpenters, musicains, candlestick makers whatever. Some people are better and more naturally interested in certain trades, and may not be able interchange these interests if they had to. So comunism works very naturally. Very naturallly is the keyword there. When thinking of comunism from Capitalism year 2005 we cant even phathem this mind set that comes from this very natural state of existence. So the second society a consumer society. Where everything is in excess. With no awareness of necessity. So to the degree that due to our lack of necessity we need money as a carrot in front of the horse to keep us moving. Truly disgusting if you ask me. So we are unbalanced, are work is not based off of necessity, but fear and luxury, and excess.
Overall argue this! Comunissm doesn't work? But does capitalism work? Half the world is forced to starve whiles the other have is forced to over consume. Theats not perfect sytem to me man.
When people start killing?!? Where have you been the past ten thousand years?!? Mass killing by means of organized aggression is the very means by which the psycho-pathology of Old World Civilization uses to spread itself in a domino effect, from the area South of the Caucasus Mountains, across the entire globe. The psycho-pathology of Organized Aggression is highly contagious! BTW, do live near Sierraville? I used to hang-out at the Sierraville Hot Springs.
I'm talking about in an anarchistic society and yes, thereabouts within 30 miles of there anyway.....
So what you're saying is that when the average person starts some individual killing, you would allow it to happen, cause it's not as bad as the mass killing of the capitalist society? Your answer is not an answer to the question. This really is a semantic arguement. Someone said false to the proposition that Anarchy is an absence of any sort of administrative authority that would give order and deal with the logistics of the matter. But there's where the debate is. What I mean by the strong dominating is that people can always find ways to control and dominate each other. Someone mentioned that anarchy is just another word for the way we used to primitively live. Yes, that's how we lived until someone found a way to control and dominate. In this world the absence of any central authority will soon result in a new one being formed. The people with guns will say 'We'll just take these things, thank you, and fuck your meetings and social pressures and no we are not going to leave the community...
if empathy is going to keep people in check why doesn't it now and what about sociopaths or schizophrenics or people who are just bad at empathy...
schizophrenics are physiologically broken, they have smaller pre frontal cortexes, even if it were as simple as doing that it wouldn't work, as for sociopaths, they are sociopaths, no one knows why they are the way they are in most cases, brain washing isn't going to make them empathetic and what about crimes of passion? people who are normally caring loving people who suddenly kill someone or how about people who are just fucking evil, or who choose not to be connected to the media? how do you force them? a poliec force is only going to be able to get money from private industry or from a government, and what private industry is planning to help people? how is public industry not going to take huge amounts of power? it just is a broken idea
Our methodical organized aggression is a symptom that reveals our collective effeminate fears and insecurities. The Fearless are beyond aggression. Anarchy is fearless and the fearless are not motivated by effeminate fears and insecurities, but instead act as individuals and kill as individuals. This huge quantitative difference, between the methodical organized aggression of our Civilization State and the individual killing in a State of Anarchy, is revealing of far more than mere semantics. Rather, it reveals the collective sub-conscious depths of Civilized Man's effeminate motivations. The Strong never control or dominate, only the Weak do. Those who are NOT neurotically preoccupied with Death and Sexual Inadequacy have no impulse to control or dominate others, and can NOT be controlled or dominated. Junkies addicted to the cozy effeminate comforts of materialism are too weak and scared to last long in Anarchy. Far from being attracted to the total fearless freedom of an Anarchy Community, Civilized Weaklings would turn and run for their fear-driven lives.
Schizophrenia can have its advantages in Anarchy. In Anarchy the disassociative properties that characterize Schizophrenia is easily controllable, and can increase ones detached insightful artistry. Unlike Our Hierarchical Civilization where the stress of Hyper-Competition can easily cause a Schizophrenic to retreat into uncontrollable paranoia, delusions, and even personality splits. Apply enough repression, and any of us can become a sociopath. Unfortunately, to survive and reproduce in a Hierarchical environment like Our Hierarchical Civilization, the Ego must repress most of our natural psycho-sexual energy and deceptively redirect it through Business, Politics and Religion. In Anarchy however, there is no longer a Hierarchical Environment to survive and reproduce in, and the Ego no longer needs to repress so much of our psycho-sexual energy into the deceptions of Business, Politics or Religion. There are NO crimes in Anarchy. To kill is not a crime. You can kill and you can be killed just like that. , In Anarchy you don't need the Police, because you are free to defend yourself. Police only get in the way. Huge amounts of power are only necessary to compensate for huge imbalances of our psycho-energy. In a non-Hierarchical Environment like Anarchy there is LESS imbalance of our collective psycho-energy.
those too weak to defend themselves? I'm bigger then most people, and I know with a fair amount of profeincy how to use a gun from greater range than most people...... they just die?
There is no problem with having a police in an anarchist society. But if you call the police, there is often little help you can get, anyways. Have you ever thought of that, instead of relying on the police, communities can deal with various issues? Instead of having 50 million cops, we could have 6 billion.
