Animal Activists have gone too far

Yep, that's correct.

No, I'm not. We, in no means, are in charge of any other being but ourselves.

What is "sarcoptic mange"?
I don't think that either way is better or worse. Like I said earlier, I have no problem with humans killing animals.

Of course it's not. They actually run an animal down and kill it by using their teeth or claws or beak or what-have-they, which I see as highly respectful. Way more respectful than the methods we use, but I still see no problem in the ways we actually kill an animal. What I see as wrong is the complete control of entire lives, from day one to the end, as seen in factory farms. Also as seen in fox hunting, where humans control and manipulate dogs to do the hunting for them. I see it as completely disrespectful to life, and yourself in the end, because you are a part of life.

 

I don't think that's crazy at all.

 

Then go out and live like one, and stop the slaughter in the fields.

You Tamee, are denying reality.

I encourage you to go to the link and look at the pictures toward the bottom, they may gross you out but hey, it's all natural right...

But only if they live an indian lifestyle, that's what you told me.....or was it only if they killed it themselves and not for the fur....I think that was the last one. The only problem being that predators are nearly in-edible, you should try one. And anyway, if you don't think that a humane death is better than that of a slow and painful one, if you say your morals do not show you the difference, I think you're crazy.

These are physical aspects attributed to them, what we have is the brain and a body which works for multi-purpose uses, like eating anything within grasp. I don't have the physical ability to run down a rabbit, but I have the brains to outsmart it and the hands to hold the gun see.....but you're right, much more respectful to tear out their guts (while they're living) than shoot them in the head.....what planet are you on man?

You are likening the life of an animal to that of a human. I simply cannot do this, as someone said before animals have absolutely no concept of freedom. How could they? A 1,200 lb. beef could snap a piece of webbed or bobwire fence in a heartbeat if they wanted to be free but they do not. They are content to do nothing, to eat, drink and sleep. Tell me I'm wrong here. Now sure, they are killed in the end, and you said you had no problem with that but there are so many stipulations I can't keep up with them anymore.

Humans I guess somewhat control the dogs as in "hey come back here dog", but do not manipulate them. As someone said earlier in this thread they are bred for that purpose and that is the only drive within them. Their thought processes are just a little bit limited.


So Tamee, you believe that it is ok for humans to kill animals but only if they use everything is this correct?

 

I don't know if that's possible, but I plan on trying. What slaughter in the fields?

How? The reality is that no in is in charge of any other being but himself, some people just like to be.

I did go to that link, but I was not "grossed out" by it. I agree, it is natural.

I didn't say that. You did. I only agreed that the way the indians did it was ok. I did not mean to agree that you had to live like one.

I said as long as you use everything. That includes the fur.

How are they inedible?

I see the difference, but I do not think either one is better or worse, unless the slow and painful one is from being tormented.

Ok.

I think the more work you have to put into it, the more respect you have for that animal when and if you capture it.

Just because an animal cannot conceive of freedom, does not mean they don't deserve it. Surely human babies, at one point, have not yet developed the ability to conceive the idea of freedom, but does that mean they don't deserve it? Hell no.

Then why are you trying? Are you actually trying to understand my point of view, or find points where you can knock it down?

Fox hunting dogs are trained and, as you said, bred to do what they do, is this not control and manipulation?

How so?

yes. Everything that can be used.

 

this is a crazy issue and an even more absurd reply.....i presonally am appalled that a country would ban such a practice as fox hunting....in England the foxes arent even killed, the dogs simply chase the fox to hole, sure they may catch and kill the fox occasionally but the sport in the hunt is not killing the animal, but the thrill of watching and listening to the dog's that the trainer has put in endless hours training and watching do what you taught them to do, and letting them do what it is that they love to.....i have hunting dogs, beagles at that that are trained rabbit hunting dogs, however they are also pets, and theres nothing that my dogs like more than chasing rabbits, which i am more than happy to take them to do, not because i want to kill rabbits, but becasue i enjoy watching my dogs do what they love to do, i take them out and let them hunt 2-3 times a week, and during regular hunting season i will shoot a rabbit from time to time, i eat what i take, and don't just go out to kill things.....and everyone i know who enjoys hunting with dogs is the same the same way....it is a natural event in nature that animals succumb to predators, predators which are not in the wild becasue in the past man has eliminated most predatorial species in their range, without predators the animal populations are left to grow unchecked, when left unchecked overpopulation and competition between animals of both the same and different species are left to compete for a finite amount of food, the animals become more succeptible to disease and so forth becasue of the close proximity between individual animals disease spreads more rapidly between individual species, leading to an overall decrease in the popultion size of the affected animals....dont believe me, 1 incident that really sticks out in my mind is 1950-1970 in West Virginia, due to lack of predators and strict hunting regulations and bag limits on deer in the state led to a sudden boom in the size of the deer herd in the state, by the mid 50's, a disease known as Black Tongue hit the herd and nearly devastated it state wide, and nearly extinct in certain counties, so in order to curb the problem the state got stricter with the regs until the herd stabilized, desiginated the 4 hardest hit counties as archery only with a 1 deer limit, and slowly liberalized the regulations in the rest of the state, at the same time introducing coyotes to help naturally regulate the deer herd, and now the deer herd in WV is probably the most healthy herd in the states, and the 4 archery counties are still archery only but with a 2 deer limit instead of the 1 deer/yr limit, and now boasts some of the biggest trophy deer in North America.....seems to me that hunting has a place in ensuring a healthy population and overall quality of animal habitat regardless of what activists would have to say....sure needless killing is a fucking shame, but the pro's severely out weigh the con's, and to say that a dog trained to hunt is no good for nothing else is soooo wrong, tell that to me and the millions of people who's best friend likes nothing more than to do what he/she was bred to do....my dogs are my pets as well as my favorite hunting buddies, but foremost they are pets they act like pets they are treated as pets and regardless of what they do they will always be, so try to tell me they need to be put down when theyre rolling around on theyre backs wanting me to pet on them and jumping up and whining wanting more attention....tell me they need to be put down????well i think someone would get punched if they made that mistake.....i think you need to re-adjust your views and opinions and really think about what is best for the whole as opposed to the individual.....

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with hunting when an animal does it because he/she needs to. What I don't agree with is the controlling of the dogs by a human.

 

Someone explain to me where the sport is in chasing a fox down with dogs until it is too tired to run any more, than riding up on horses and shooting it? Is this a noble act?

 

I don't believe so.

 

Your a dumbass living in a fantasy world.
Animals have no sense of freedom, there happy to stay at home, get free food, water and sleep. Also, you say the dogsarw manipulated and controlled to fox hunt, didn't it ever occur to you that dogs enjoy hunting? They love it, they love digging there teeth in a fox a d just tearing it to shreds. Your ideals I stupid andyou need to get w sense of reality

 

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Talk About A "Blast From The Past"...... 7 Years Has To Be An All Time Record....?



Cheers Glen.

 

i could have had a child in this time

taught them karate

they would be a black belt of course

we would become raiders of the future - i would direct this child to find the person who would be responsible for this abomination of a post

and karate kick them swiftly in the groin... saving the unsuspecting world from disaster once again

kind of wish i had now :frown:

 

Yep ,pretty old post , dont suppose they would need to ride horses to catch the poor old fox in question , just lassoo it when its in the post office drawing its old age pension .