Anonymous and LulzSecurity Declare WAR on Governments, Banks and other Big Businesses

You are very right, in fact I would add that a lot of these "revolutions" stink of more bullshit than a male bovine's rectum. Granted some seem to be genuine but notice which coutries' rebels gain NATO support and which don't, that tells you all you need to know.

Libyan rebels taking time off to form a central bank...? And an oil company...? The Syrian regime condemned for killing 1200 of its own citizens (likely bullshit, the huge demonstrations in Syria are PRO-government) whilst the UK trains Bahraini soldiers in the finer points of peaceful protestor massacre at its prestigious officer training academy...? WTF is going on here?

 

This is sort of true, and sort of not.

The internet started out being TOTALLY user created. Unfortunately as it's importance grew, big business muscled in. But they haven't taken it yet.

The difference isn't that they WON'T take it, it's how long it will take, because of the strong user created/organized/run base that it started with. I mean, I never heard of pirate radio jamming legit stations, but that's basically what anonymous are doing. Jamming the big stations to get attention for their own.

The internet has shifted in less than a decade (less than half a decade, really) from predominately user generated, oriented, to predominately corporate/goverment generated and angled. But they still haven't taken it all. And what makes the difference is the number of people online relative to the number of people online drinking the corporate/government cool-aid.

What's happening now with anonymous is the internet's last grasp at doing something good. The whole point is to get as many people thinking as they can, before it becomes impossible to do this on the internet. The longer they wait, the harder it gets, but the higher the possible benefits get, at the same time.

Also, what's your consultation fee for internet-nobodies?

 

The internet didn't have anywhere near as much to do with those revolutions as they would tell you. It was mostly a chance for the mainstream traditional media to show you how they're in and cool and down and hip and totally know what's up with this new facebook and twitter shit.

But the fact is, people were just pissed, maybe it happened a few years earlier, but the internet mostly gave the CIA and other malevolent agencies a back door into the revolutions, to corrupt them even more than they have been able to in pre-digital revolutions.

It's all business as usual, this is the CIA and related agencies hijacking a new media form to influence foreign affairs under the guise of domestic revolution. Remember radio free russia? the freedom fighters handbook that they threw at Nicaragua? They have simply ignored american peaceful/political revolutionaries, and then transplanted their methods into violent third world revolutions.

I don't think they really kicked off the revolutions, they just waited for them to happen and then walked in through the gaping back door of facebook.

 

I've noticed the video has 3000 likes sofar, thats an average of 333 people seeing this every day, at that rate (and remember it will pick up momentum as it gets more popular, assuming the MIB will not have it taken down) will be slightly less then 25,000 by november, the supposed release of Phase 2. That estimate again dosent include if/how much momentum it gains.

25,000/50 (number of us states)

is a average of 500 in each one, Not much maybe but its a start

It would be perfect for the u.s. to do a preemtive strike and round up everyone to use these supposed civilian concentration camps ive been hearing so much about. But noway that could be done immedietley. People would just get super pissed, get weapons. go apeshit. True anarchy in its fullest.


So a Win-Win if you ask me.

Edft- Awsome, 100th post.

 

I don't think clicking 'like' on a youtube video means someone is necessarily ready to risk their lives rebelling against 'the system'.

 

The Internet began as a military command and control systems research project.

It was shortly after the Cuban missle crisis of 1962 that the United States Air Force and ARPA began research and development in response to the Russion advances in space and nuclear weapons capablity. It was obvious that in the event of a nuclear conflict, the United States would require a Command and Control system that could survive a nuclear attack. Research begun on creating a decentralized system that would survive and function even if the majority of the network were to be destroyed.

The project of designing the Command and Control system was granted to RAND Corporation. It was Paul Baran of the RAND Corporation that first came up with the idea of chopping up messages into pieces and sending them through numerous reduntant paths to reach their destination for reassembly.

The entire Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (aka. ARPANET) was funded by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (aka. DARPA) of the United States Department of Defense.

Getting people thinking is a good think and I agree with their efforts to that extent. But as for doing any real damage.. I suppose it depends on what is in place on each indivdual site. However, I was told that my local police station backs up their entire systems twice every day. And these guys are nobodys. So I won't even try to imagine what big business and goverment has in place to safeguard against cyber attacks from the general public.

 

500.

 

Well the internet as we know it now, the "world wide web", isn't the same thing as the original "internet".... Which was really just a few hand soldered modems, as I understand it.

Most important data will be backed up on multiple mirrored RAID continuously, with numerous images archived from any given time. Like you said, local PD is small fish, and has some tech school "grad" running their systems, I expect.

The real damage in most break ins would be stolen data, not changes made while on the inside. Other than things like reactors (which, again, should not be on the internet unless you have a deathwish, that's just fucking stupid sounding) you can't hurt things, only slow them down. It's just 1's and 0's, there really isn't anything to lose that can't be re-created. Or even just read off the disk, it's unlikely anonymous is going to zero-fill every government hard drive any time soon. Deleting data just deletes the roadsign that tells you it's there, the bits are still sitting there on the drive for a normal deletion.

Of course some people are more caught up in it and don't see this, but most people participating probably understand: this is not a real attack on any foundations of bad government or business, it's just standing in front of tanks: it causes publicity which could be increasingly bad for the guys who will run you over, but you will still probably get run over, and even if you don't, it's only a PR fight, you can't damage anything.

And if it DID succeed in anything other than PR, it would be a disaster, most of these people DO have horrible ideas about how things should be run, ron paul-esque innocent foolishness. They mean well, but just don't have a clue. They've been pushed into complete radicalism by a fascistic exponentially growing global culture of corporate police states, but that doesn't mean that the opposite is the answer, either. There IS a happy medium, and we can find it, hopefully sooner than it had appeared, if anonymous shakes things around a bit but doesn't actually break them.

 

oh wow, probaly should have typed this right before bed lol.

 

This actually IS standing up to big business and government. Neither anonymous nor lulzsec have ever stated that they are trying to replace the government and run the show. You do go off in to left field and make things up there roorshack. They are raising awareness and providing proof of their complaints. The released info from the police hack shows, without a doubt the racist mentality of those in power in that area. They want those laws changed and so do I.

 

These hackers and these hacks are not scary. Google stuxnet. THAT is some scary shit! Malware that fucks up the system at a nuclear power plant. That has been deployed and is out there. I wonder if the crazy fucks who created it (the popular consensus is that the US government played a major role in it's development and it's deployment) ever thought that now other people, lord knows who, now have a copy of it. And someone gets it from them, and someone gets it from them....................................... And people are scared and or pissed off about a few pings hitting a server?

 

The World Wide Web was created by Tim Berners-Lee and his colleagues at CERN and introduced to the world in 1991. However it was George Bush sr. and Dr. Robert A. Eisenstein through the US National Science Foundation that created the "Internet Boom" as we know it.

Dr. Robert A. Eisenstein first started work on experiments at CERN in 1980 and by 1989 he had become involved with the US National Science Foundation. The NSF's director, deputy director, and the 24 members of the National Science Board (NSB) are appointed by the President of the United States, and confirmed by the United States Senate.

In 1989 newly elected president George Bush was presented by the NSF with the problem of both wide scale implementation and cost reduction. As is common practice with technological innovations in the United States, George Bush allowed the Internet to be passed into private sector so that market demand could drive down the costs of hardware and solve the problems of implementation. The Boston based company, Software Tool and Die Inc. became the first dialup service provider.

In 1990 The NSF's appropriation passed $2 billion for the first time and by 1991 the acceptable use policy is altered to allow commercial traffic.

(( In 2004 I had a case where a woman sued EBay to reinstate her account. I did alot of research on the web back then))

I'll agree.
Their acts create alot of PR and get people reconsidering what is going on around them. For that fact and only that fact, I support what they're doing. But as for any damage they may or may not be causing. Let's just say I personally find it hard to attach any significance to a virutual medium.

 

"war"

Again, you're just talking, and not hanging out in the corners of the internet where this shit happens and these people congregate. Replacing government isn't a goal, destroying it is.

Most of your recent posts revolve around trying to make me sound crazy, but don't actually say anything of substance.

You obviously really are 46. You don't understand this in the same way these people do. These are just kids, and kids of the digital age. If the CIA website goes down, they won, and there is no CIA. Internet parenting has done remarkable things for people's understanding of the world, like TV parenting before it.

 

That really narrows down the search...

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2011-06-26-hacker-crossfire_n.htm

 

Roorshack: Now I know you are full of crap. Yes I do participate in discussions with the hack community and have since the 80's. Were you even born then? You are paranoid and completely misinformed or you are purposely trying to spread misinformation. But either way, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and have proven it with several nonsensical rantings. Seriously dude, put the pipe down and take a nap.

 

I think this is your third "now I know you're just NOT AGREEING WITH HOW JHARYN WANTS REALITY TO BE" post

It's also at least the second time you've told me to "put the pipe down", which TOTALLY proves I'm just deranged and on drugs and that settles it all.

 

Anyon who does know what they are talking about knows that you are full of shit. Your words, "it takes 100-300 people to pull off a ddos, their goal is war, oh and my personal favorite................. thought crimes ........................ I can quote more from you if you'd like.

 

I didn't say it takes 100-300, I said that's what's being used in these by anonymous. You say you talk to "hackers".... then surly you've seen a ddos happen.

Do you know what DDoS stands for?

DISTRIBUTED denial of service.

Distributed, as in a whole fuckton of children with low orbit ion cannons.

I pretty clearly described a situation in which you could be charged for admitting to having knowledge. Of course if you keep your mouth shut, this isn't going to happen. Better not go talk about that "collateral murder" video on the internet now, ehh... oh, shit, I said it, guess I'll be locked up in miniluv nao. I like how you can throw phrases like "put the pipe down" at me, but don't understand pretty basic cultural references to give things context.

Also, maybe you didn't notice, but anonyomus "declared WAR", as stated in the title of the thread you're posting in.

Any questions? (but put the pipe down before asking them, it doesn't seem to be helping you that much)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOIC This is the tool in question, usually used for anonymous raids. Of course some people may have botnets at their disposal, and join that way, but anonymous attacks are predominately, if not purely, voluntary. The wikipedia page only makes mention of some large attacks, but there's practically daily attacks on SOMEONE using LOIC, if you look in the right places.

Having checked out wikipedia's DOS/DDoS page, you seem to be reading to me from there, which makes little or no mention of voluntary participation by more than one individual. You never talked to a "hacker" in your life, and claim to have been in deep with them since the 80's, the decade before (as we just established, check out truth's post a few back) the world wide web existed... as such, there was nobody TO hack, you carried your programs on physical media and your computer screen was 7 inches diagonally, if it had one at all.

 

They made a movie about Armageddon but that doesn't mean it happened.

 

Don't lose focus