Anonymous and LulzSecurity Declare WAR on Governments, Banks and other Big Businesses

to summarize the (second) last post:
RooRshack is an idiot for thinking he'll be able to help people by opening their minds to different and more empathetic ways of thinking, and mustlivelife is a genius because he's going to go live in the woods while hoping someone else changes the world for the better.

did i get it right?

 

Antisec.

 

Psychedelic drugs are not SUPPOSED to replace education and action, genius.

Millions are dieing around the world, and meanwhile you're using a computer you paid for on internet you're paying for. Or maybe you're using a computer someone ELSE paid for one internet someone ELSE paid for.

You're not doing shit except telling everyone they're doing it wrong. Why don't you lead by example, quitcha bitchin, and go fix things? I don't care if you don't pay income tax, all that means is less social services and other necessities for people at home. But they don't count, in order to be a human being, you have to be starving to death on the other side of the world, or else you're not worth the time of day.

You're an armchair revolutionary, if you where serious about this you wouldn't be on the internet in the first place. You talk big shit, but you're not helping ANYONE, and I am working to do that. By the time (if) my various plans come to fruition, (which would trigger political change which would hopefully spread, spurred on by a local change in consciousness I'm working to create.... this is just ONE of my projects for this sort of thing) you'll still be feeling like a badass because you don't pay your taxes. Oh, my hero, I guess all the people in my state who don't get medicaid and shit when they should should cheer you on, for standing up for the little man.

 

Why are you making this personal? You don't know shit about me, you've made an imaginary me in your head that you are angry at. I talked about my taxes because Meliai asked about them. I don't feel like a "badass" because I wish I could contribute to the social services of my country without the money being used for evil purposes but I don't feel it is the ethical choice to pay the taxes. And I am leading by example, I'm doing and going to do what I think is right. I'm not telling anyone to do anything. That was a pure rant, uninformed and a little contradictory.

Educate yourself.

 

It makes perfect sense. This is how I am in EVERY situation in my life. It's the ambivalence and anticipation that are the worse. Once I am in it, there really isnt much to be done except deal with it... On top of that, even if I WOULD be freaking out on psychedelics, it wouldnt even be because of what is happening in that moment, it would be because of my fear of what was coming. There is never anything in the now that we can't deal with. But staying there is a tough balancing act. Anyways. We'll see.

If you are helping one person, you actually are helping the world, because we are indeed all one. I'm not saying this this in a new age hippy bullshit way. It just is what it is.

hahahaha!!

 

The quickest way to postpone critical mass is to wait for it to happen.

 

I didn't make anything personal, you jumped at my, and indirectly, many others, throats, telling us how we're all buying into evil for using banks and other such sillyness. And you tried to belittle me and one of my greatest interests, the use of psychedelic drugs to alter people's viewpoints for the better, be that to help a rich person do good with their wealth or to help a poor person better orient themselves to better their situation and that of those around then.

My bank is a co-op, my taxes do some good and I plan to make the political change so that they will do less evil, and drugs are integral to the human experience.

It's incredibly ignorant of you to assume that changing the viewpoints of people who make up the world can not help the world. You talk like some sort of above the influence ad.... Come on, having everyone tripping sack can't help anything, grow up

You made it personal, go back and read it. So, in an equally personal fashion, I suggest you stop making and spending money, and owning possessions, because all of those are shams, and go live naked in a desert somewhere. That's the only honest way to live. I can show you how to make a stone scraper, a rabbit snare out of a root, and then skin the rabbit, if you need. But remember, you're just USING that scraper and rabbit snare, you don't OWN them, because people can't OWN things

 

I'm starting to wonder about the overall purpose of hacking various government sites, not to mention sites like Sony. It creates a little bit of chaos but what exactly is the point?

I would like to see Anonymous do something more extreme, some Robin Hood shit...if they could erase or reset everyones' credit scores, for example. Or hack into various credit card companies and erase records of credit card debt. Something that actually gives back to the lower rungs of society. Bringing down government websites is not exactly bringing down the government. It just seems like child's play. I want to see them actually do something that really makes a significant difference.

 

Please tell me, again, how hacking and defacing websites, creating any degree of havoc within a part of an infrastructure that most depend on (to some extent) is a good thing.

 

The defacing and disabling websites is just muscle flexing to show people that governments and big businesses are not invulnerable, mainly to muster support I would think.

The idea is to not depend on the infrastructure, stand up and be free independant human beings.

I really doubt this is going to go smoothly at all with the amount of people who are so very dependant upon their beloved system. I can't wait for the shit to kick off so we can finally sort the wheat from the chaff once and for all.

 

Mostly what livelife said.

It's saying "we're pissed".

A DDoS attack, the simple standard tactic of anonymous, only takes a short time to organize, and several hundred/thousand people to be successful. It's the equivalent of a sit-in on a government or corporations building, just being there and in the way. However, this is now "cyber terrorism"..... I wonder if a sit in is physical terrorism, then?

I haven't been following this, but whatever type of attack they're doing, there's no lasting damage to be done, it's just to gum up the works and make a show of being pissed off. Because you can SAY what you want on the internet, and if you don't do something, nobody will listen, because it's the fucking internet.

"terrorism"-anything the US government finds inconvenient, regardless of actual terroristic nature, or lack thereof.

 

the more chaos the merrier

 

This is not terrorism. Only a moron would even consider that it is. They are trying to get people to wake up and see that something bad has been happening for a very long time and unless they start speaking out for themselves, it will continue to get worse. They are raising awareness and it is starting to work. People are starting to pay attention, starting to look in to WHY they're doing what they are doing. Starting to see.

 

lol I hadn't thought of it that way, that's bang on what it is, except no cops can grab these sitters under the armpits and haul them off to prison!

Jharyn: They're not morons, they're just misinformed, just conditioned that way. Is a wolf a moronic wolf if it kills a human? No, it's just being a wolf. And they are just being sheep! You can't say that you never believed it was real at some point, can you? I know I thought it was, shit I nearly joined the army almost 3 years ago, I joined the TA instead (reserves) but luckily had an awakening before I wrought any destruction on the planet or fired a gun at an innocent arab. There's no such thing as a smart human being, we're all just products of our environment, of our society. Our ideas are merely other people's ideas squashed together and presented in our own way.

 

Thanks, for the clarification.

The flaw, in my opinion, with that sort of thinking is that most of us ARE dependent on infrastructure, at least to some extent. Only those living completely "off the grid" aren't. In reality, those are few and far between! Most of us are dependent on the “beloved system” for those things associated with everyday life. Some, such as the elderly, have neither the means nor ability to distance themselves, much less separate, from it.

Advocating the downfall of entire governments and/or an end to the ever evil “big businesses” is much like wishing for world chaos or, as in a previous post, revolution “..in the form of an angry mob or a bomb…”. If such type of revolution should take place, it will certainly be those at the bottom of the ladder who suffer most – it will not be those at high levels of government or those in corporate management positions.

The unfortunate truth is that much of the world’s population has neither the knowledge nor the ability to get along without a great deal of support from the existing infrastructure. Demonstrably, many can’t take care of themselves even with full support of the system.

Sadly, too many things depend on centralized communications and technology. Should those systems be unavailable, many parts of the infrastructure will cease to function: transportation will be one of the first things affected – food and other real necessities, such as heating fuel, could become scarce. When that happens, one can only imagine the rioting, murder, mayhem in the streets. Such chaos will not be limited to urban areas – it will quickly spread to areas outside the urban sprawl – into those areas where people are able to grow their own food, into the rural areas where folks aren’t as dependent on the system. Is this the type of revolution being advocated?

I’m wondering how many of those professing to welcome a collapse of infrastructure can really provide for themselves in the absence of it. Sure, many can stockpile foodstuffs and other supplies, but how many can go beyond that and survive without violent means or the threat of it when those stockpiles are exhausted. I’m guessing not many. Too, I’m wondering how many are really just waiting for the opportunity to take from others what they have neither the initiative nor ability to get on their own.

Since many of the materials used in the construction of my home were produced by large corporations and purchased with funds earned by working in the “beloved system”, should I now destroy my house in protest of the wrongs committed by those corporations and others in the system? I think not. Such type of thinking seems much the same as that of many supporting the “cyber revolution”.

If this “shit” does “kick off” – there’s near zero chance that it will anytime soon – much of the wheat will be blown away with very little of the chaff.

 

Nobody is looking for the infrastructure to crash. Where did you get that idea? They are looking for change.

 

mustlivelife: I agree. They're just sheep. But then again, therein lies the problem. That is why the sheep need unions. To have a wolf on their side. To work together for change.