Anonymous and LulzSecurity Declare WAR on Governments, Banks and other Big Businesses

A bit like calling DDOS attacks hacking? Notice that the term is "attacks" and what do you normally attack with? Anything that is used offensively can be considered a weapon. Don't bog this down with semantics, please. And FFS that stuxnet code can cause nuclear reactors to reach meltdown! Potentially worldwide! If that's not a weapon, I don't know what is.

Then again, you're the expert, what do I know?

I can't wait for them to get some info for the UK, it would be a blast trying to log into police databases and stuff! I'd only do it for the lulz, of course. If I had the knowledge that yous two talking hack shop had then I'd be straight in there helping, sitting at this laptop in a Guy Fawkes mask, jacking it to hentai like a real member of lulzsec. They can arrest me, I don't give a shit, they'll probably have to taze me.

 

Oh come on, it's not hard.

If you want to be involved, I would suggest getting a cheap laptop from a pawn shop, thrift store, etc, without leaving a paper trail, and NEVER using it on any private network, use public wireless only. If you do this, and have it shut down and unplugged at ALL times when at home or friends places, offices, etc, you should be physically impossible to find, as long as you don't always DDoS from the same park bench or whatever. There ain't no public wifi in the high desert, so this isn't an option that I have

Also, I didn't watch your video because my internet sucks right now, but if there are any nuclear reactors on ANY sort of network connected to the web... holy FUCK, they're IDIOTS And anon would do that, because you only need a few who want to melt down reactors to spearhead the thing, and hivemind does the rest. That's why I lost interest in them, and don't really support these attacks anymore. It's just too unwieldy, it gets taken over by mob mentality, and people do and support doing things that are just bloody STUPID, if you take a moment to think about it.

 

Sweeeeet, I will try and track down a cheap laptop. Public wifi... Shit, I really hate going in the sorts of places that have public wifi. Ah well, all for a good cause, I guess. You're so lucky to live in a desert.

How about using proxy servers, doesn't that grant you anonymity?

 

To a degree..... But not really.

Like the guy who "hacked" (used her zipcode, and it turned out to really be her password) palin's email. He was "only" behind 7 proxies, and they got him. All they have to do is trace from proxy to proxy, be it by headers or the like, or simply saying "tell us who these fuckers are, and you won't be one of the defendants".

Remember that once something like that's been done, your hard drive is evidence, (unless you do an uber paranoid 50 billion times pass erase) and your network hardware is evidence (hardwired in numbers and identifiers) and basically the whole computer is contraband. So again, NEVER let business and pleasure cross, for example if you posted on HF from that computer, or even logged in, they could just look at the IP your account usually uses, and bam, they've got you. Public open networks, DEDICATED single purpose computer and computer hardware, no taking out the wirless card and using it in your home computer or something. No banking, or ANYTHING else that could be associated with you on that computer. Probly shouldn't even visit the same sites from your home computer, do all that research only from the dedicated computer.

If I sound paranoid.... I am

Also: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/

 

It is not illegal to know state secrets. It is illegal to pass them on to unauthorized people. You are sounding very much like a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Most hackers hack to see if they can or to learn. However, mustlivelife is correct that there is code out there that can be used as a weapon. There are also people out there who are crazy and or angry enough to use them. So with that in mind, don't you feel that networks that hold that type of data or control those kinds of systems should do everything they can to be as secure as they possible? Including having no connection to the internet as we know it?

 

As I understand it, possession is illegal. And a secret can, for sure, be possessed in the brain.

Of course anything on the internet is vulnerable to attack, and I don't remember ever saying that nuclear reactors should be connected to the internet in any form or fashion, that's one of the most stupid ideas I've ever heard....

 

Ok. Know I know that you are paranoid. A secret possessed in the brain can get you arrested? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Put the pipe down!

 

There are nuclear reactors all over the world with connections to the internet. I have maintained a few in my days.

 

From a lawyer's point of view I'm amazed that he lost his case against the extradition. He hasn't even been charged with a crime yet. Additionally the crime he is accused of is one where he isn't likely to do prison time. Plus the evidence against him is amounts to one word against another.

Therefore having seen that, it's pretty easy to figure out what the establishment is going to do.

Wikileaks is just one fake story from loosing all crediablity. What will happen is the establishment is going create a really "offical looking" document/story. Then Wikileaks publishes it, they're going to denounce it and use social networking to put the nail in the coffin.

As for the legal matters against him. Well, they already have the average person believing that he is a rapist. Therefore they're going to destroy his crediablity and then crucify as a person; As a warning for the next person.

After that,
We're going to see "wikileaks" type sites start up all over the place. Some will difuse their propoganda. Others will be called "conspiracy theorist" sites.

End result... They win.

 

Voice of Truth: I've been thinking about that scenario. That is how they do it. That's what they did to the activists in the 60s and 70s. Remember Abbie Hoffman? What they did to him WAS criminal. And he was only one of many. They seem to be doing the same to Julian Assange and wikileaks.

 

How do you think I know this shit? It's because I lived through it once already.


Also as a lawyer with a reputation of being honest, I frequently was contacted by various activists and/or groups. (Including once the FARC.) The establishment never seems to change its modis aparandi. But what just amazes me is that it almost always seems to work.

 

It does always seem to work. Scary. But, I'm hoping that with the truth being available via the internet, something that they cannot censor, that people will start to speak out.

 

We said more or less the same things in the 60s. We claimed the exact same stuff with our underground newspapers. The Internet is controled by bug business and the establishment. It's not controlled by you, your neighbor or anyone you have ever met face-to-face. And it's certainly not doing anything new. All it is, is a digital version of what has already been done.

In the 60s ever single underground newspaper failed. The were only 2 thing that actually worked. The first was word of mouth passed through militant groups and alternative communites and the second was pirate radio. But how many people are part of a militant group or listen to the radio today? Or better still, for the radio, how many people have access to the equipment?

 

It might not be 'censored', but it sure is watched pretty closely.

 

LulzSec are going to be interviewed online on newsnight on BBC2 now.

 

Shit, I just read that 5 minutes ago, must have missed it. They're talking about Syria (ALL FUCKING LIES) and Habitat (who actually gives a shit?) now. I'll have to wait for it on the i-player.

Haha their rumour spreading about Syria made me want to listen to this 80's classic: [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ssm_MLoj74

 

I don't know if they really were interviewing them online, I turned it off as my signal was breaking up and just watched U2 at Glasto. I'm sure they said that was going to happen at the start, but of course maybe LulzSec said they would do it and then pulled out or just said they would do it for the lulz.

 

Voice of truth: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/tunisia/#more-22798 ............ check this out. The internet can do what was once a lot harder if not impossible. A government tried to oppress the truth and it not only bit them in the ass, but also caused the ruling piece of shit to flee the country. It is possible. But it takes people getting off their fat lazy asses and out in to the streets to promote any kind of real change. But I do believe that it is coming.

 

The Tunisian revolution is part of the current currency conflict going on between Europe and the United States. It has flooded europe with refugees and effectively turned France and Italy against each other. (Europe's 3rd and 4th largest economies) And this threatens their economies so much so that speculators began "bidding" on the E.U. breakup.

Many of the Tunisians speak french and have families in France. But their boats dock in Italy. Italy wants to gve them visas so that they can go on to France. France doesn't want Italy to issue the visas because according to the Schengen Agreement, they have to accept them.

Ask any detective or judge, if you want to know who is responsible. Look no futher than the person benefiting the most from the situation. The United States needs to remain the currency of international trade. Because being the money that the world trades in allows our nation to have massive debts and deficits. Therefore if changes to the euro, the good old USA will have to declare bankruptcy.

And if you follow the financial markets and news to any extent. The Tunisian revolution came at just the right moment in time. Because as many nations pointed out at the time, Europe's sovereign debt crisis is was far more stable and preferable than our owe everyone, everything.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13912836

A little Q&A with a representative of lulzsec from BBC2's newsnight. Our boys are getting a fair amount of coverage now! There are a couple of links at the bottom with more info but it is a bit old.