Another fun climate change thread

You're the one who is telling us that oxygen is a 'load of bull', try living (?) without it and then come and tell (if you can).

 

Omg what is your problem?

 

love a well drawn graph that shows actual guilt per capita. That's great haha.

 

The event costs 17 million friggin pounds as well?

Dafuq

What, are they talking baths in caviar or something?

 

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This one of those classic red herring conclusions. First of all there’s a lot going on in our atmosphere...
Much of the atmospheric oxygen is derived from the ocean.
Forests that are cut are often replaced by other green plants...crops, young fast
trees generating a lot of O2.
Animal respiration is very small compared to the total atmospheric oxygen.
Having said that, there are real atmospheric issues that will kick in long before oxygen depletion. Like CO2. The amount in the atmosphere is very small compared to oxygen, but the percentage change is large and accelerating. And it doesn’t take much to cause large temperature changes. A similar issue has been ozone depletion by florocarbons. Small to age increases have had large percentage changes and caused all kinds of trouble.

 

Ok, you mentioned increases in CO2 and O3 depletion. Which one of those is going to be more of a serious issue both in the short term and long term

Its likely you overemphasized CO2 based on thats whats gotten the most media attention in the last 30 years

You used the term red herring

03 helps protect us from radiation and breaks down to 02 in lower levels of the atmosphere

The derivates of crude oil are long chains of carbon and hydrogen atoms mostly, but also contain nastier stuff like benzene, when used give off CO and CO2

Most of that C02 stays in the atmosphere unreacted with anything else for less than a single human lifetime

The fuel used and the C02 that was released 60 years ago, where do you think most of it is now? Likely you just are some for breakfast

Ozone vs Benzene vs Plastics vs CO2 vs toxins from landfill vs amount of bee species that have disappeared vs another 100 different environmental concerns. If any one is trying to make the claim that CO2 is going to have the most impact in 500 or 20,000 years, they are totally talking out of their arse

 

Greenland lost 11 billion tonnes of ice in just two days last month

And yet nothing happened to sea levels

This map of Greenland is alarming

 

Also it isn't just about sea levels.
I was watching Our Planet again last night so the walrus situation is back on my mind.
It just isn't normal behavior.
It's not part of some natural cycle.
Attenborough tells me that they used to go on the ice and now that just isn't there for them. Maybe it doesn't matter if we lose species to extinction. But I reckon we'll find it does.

 

Its not necessarily the large mammals we're likely to lose - they are very visible, its the small crustaceans like krill which are likely to feel the effects first and once they go, so too will the larger species higher up the food chain who rely on krill for their food.

 

There are plenty of large mammals on the verge of extinction directly due to our actions.

 

Or, sorry, directly due to climate change.
Whether that is caused by us is disputed, although I say the evidence supports that it is.

 

Yes I appreciate that, but in this instance, its more likely to be the smaller animals at the bottom of the food chain which will be affected first.

 

... I just have no idea why that's relevant.
Also the walruses are suffering, horribly.

 

Agreed, we tend to think how this will effect humanity, how coastal cities will flood, how humans will suffer in high heat and how our food supply will suffer, etc. But we're already in the middle of a huge mass extinction and evidence strongly points to it being caused by humans.
Humans are extremely adaptable. It will be other species who suffer the most from climate change

 

Because the bottom of the food chain ultimately feeds Walruses, seals, sea lions, polar bears and whales

 

One consequence that is going to really hit people hard is not eating cows, chickens, and pigs anymore. It's simply not going to be possible to farm them. I think these animals will be 1% dinner if there is even a meat industry. The rest of us eat crickets or other bugs or the fake meat that vegans already eat. Bugs sound nasty don't they? They are actuly very healthy and 100s of billions of them take the same resources as one cow. We could eat meat when the Earth let them live without our input. We can chase the mammoth down and the planet took care of it. We have ruined that.

I think of this since many of the warming deniers are also the type to be anti-vegan. I'm going to just sit back and watch them eat.

On another issue: Central America's coast lines are screwed up now. Half the reason they walk to America is because of this. See how the actions we take cause a ripple? It's not that they are criminals or lazy! Soon enough we will see native Americans loosing land as well.

Climate change is devastating Central America, driving migrants to the U.S. border

Some people here know about climate change, about the vast, complex forces of cambio climatico roiling the weather. Global warming has heated the air and driven away seasonal rains. It may have boosted the spread of bark-munching beetles, which ravaged pine forests surrounding El Rosario that had already been depleted by logging. The loss of the forests, in turn, diminished freshwater streams and sent temperatures in the village soaring still higher, residents say.

 

Yes, of course, but it's still irrelevant to the discussion.
They are suffering without ice. That they may be in danger because the whole eco-system might collapse is a separate issue, no less important.. but yeah,I still don't get why you're saying it.
It's on the general subject of what i'm talking about.. but also nothing to do with what i'm saying..

 

Because I'm talking about the way the walruses are ALREADY AFFECTED so how can you say "oh well the smaller animals will be affected first".