Another fun climate change thread

Jane Fonda is out there. On the one hand I am grateful she is out there for the defining issue of out time....thank you Jane for your activism, courage and vision. On the other hand all the old overweight white males with their heads in the sand should be ashamed. The R s are on the wrong side of history in this one (as they are on many others).

 

Watch the videos of the damage from the Dallas tornado. Lots of a/c units in evidence on both commercial and residential units...but not evidence of even one solar panel. I live in a very cloudy climate PNW, but I venture say we have more solar panels than sunny Dallas. I would think electricity is too cheap in Texas.

 

We're getting solar for the house soon. In our area, whatever we produce that gets put back into the grid, the electric company will pay us for.

 

Lol, I told a pool friend I wasn't going to his missus hens night cause I didn't want to see male strippers, so I've been invited to the bucks night instead. I just accepted on Facebook.

 

Lol, sorry ^^
Obviously wrong thread.
I can no longer edit.

 

If the strippers' heels and pasties are purchased from an environmentally ethical company then it's still on topic.

 

WMO says world CO2 emissions increased 20% between 2015-2019


Global Climate in 2015-2019: Climate change accelerates

"WMO report on greenhouse gas concentrations shows that 2015-2019 has seen a continued increase in carbon dioxide (CO2) levels and other key greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to new records, with CO2 growth rates nearly 20% higher than the previous five years."

 

Well.. The lovely couple are dog people. they have a gorgeous long haired GSD.

 

Well I switched from almond milk to Hemp seed milk because of information from Mel. Hemp should be used for everything it can be used for, for loads of reasons. That's all the pro environment news I have for today.

 

notice it says 0.6 ppm which is .0411 percent , just a trace

 

I meant 411 ppm = .0411 percent

 

Imagine how pissed off some people would be if that was cut down.

For example here there is a party in Australia called the Greens.
They get narky at people cutting trees down that have caused issues.
They also get pissed off at people for burning coal.

They are pissed off at a mining company called ADANI which mines for coal.

Yet we see people light fires on total fire ban days.

 

Just a trace is not a relevant term in the discussion of warming the earth. Our heat budget is very finely tuned. CO2 is fiendishly efficient in preventing the reradiation of long wave radiation to space. And, the concentration has increased by a large relative amount from burning fossil fuels. Other gases such as Methane also can have an impact on the greenhouse effect but they are much lighter than CO2 and don’t stay in the atmosphere nearly as long as CO2.

 

Except its not CO2, never was

Its human themselves

Wetlands the most efficient carbon sink by a mile, followed by rainforests that are also better carbon sinks by a mile than "renewable" timber forests and of course concrete jungles

The difference in the temperature increases between the northern and southern hemispheres can only be explained by the human sprawl, not by CO2 concentrations alone

 

The true climate change problem is in fact world overpopulation and the behaviour and overconsumption of that population

 

Indeed, the consuming behavior of (a part of) that huge population is key.

 

Do you really think though in the future, even if plastic and such is eradicated that it's going to be any better? If the future ends up like the movies, There's going to be a lot more electrical components encased in metal, so there's no synthetic materials because they cause pollution, so there's going to be more mining the earth for steel and metals and then all of those electrical components can be the most hazardous to manufacture in terms of airborne pollution.

I don't think the civilisation will be able to keep up with its own progression of technology or its population before it is too late. There will be a bottleneck at some point in the future, and there won't be and turning back at the bottleneck, but drastic measures will have to be taken.

IMO, we really need to like go back to the dark ages for 100 years or more. No electricity, no cars no anything but that won't ever happen, I don't really see much of a future in the distant years for this civilisation.

 

I believe there's a big chance humans will smother themselves collectively through their own pollution. But I also believe there's a chance to turn it around. Not by quitting the use of synthetic or other polluting or non biodegradable materials alltogether btw, but by using, and dealing with them afterwards, in a responsible way. So we should definitely quit using disposable plastics and drastically decrease the use of fossil fuels to name 2 obvious examples.

A realistic possibility.

I disagree that we need to go back to a non electric, no car society (even for a temporary time like a 100 years). Not that it wouldn't hurt the environment (although... that would depend on the details and what we do for an alternative, and of course with how many. Too many people will always go at the expense of other things on Earth), but it would likely hurt general progression. I mean our technological and scientific advancement is likely to hold the key to new and viable solutions, for example dealing better with certain kind of waste or getting a better kind of energy. If we as a civilisation go on like we did in the last 70 years or so, then yes, we are likely doomed to live lesser lives where microplastics and cancer and thoroughly thinned out ecosystems and the unfortunate consequences that come with it will be an intrinsic part of our reality. We're getting there... But I also see a change in thinking and a big awareness and will to do it different. Bigger and more useful maybe even than the hippie movement in the 60s. It's more mainstream after all

 

Haha okay Doomer! Hahaha

If something happens in the future, people will figure out how to deal with it. It's not like we're in charge, anyway. If we as individuals do our part in good conscience to be good stewards and control our own consumptions then we can move on to the next life with a clear conscience.

It's when we start demanding that other people do what we think they should do then we become oppressors, targets to be stricken down as in all of history. People need to do the right thing by their own volition, not by force. Education and honesty are the proper tools; whining, shaming, and forcing are not.

Climate science is still in its infancy. Hell, we can't predict the weather a week ahead with great accuracy, how the hell can we predict years and decades into the future? We are fools if we believe some scientists while calling others hacks or whatever. We aren't magicians nor omnipotent, we have just studied physical properties of materials and methods for discovery. And climatology is incredibly involved. We're making strides but it'll be decades before enough is known and understood before we can be predictive enough to count on. And we may find out that we can't get there. So let's not be foolish enough to put our faith in science that is still far from being mature. We aren't sixteen with emotional brains far from maturity.

 

We should be aware that some people enjoy alarming others. Maybe it gives them a sense of self importance or whatever. Maybe they even believe it. It's our job to take the barrage of claims of all types with skepticism and a grain of salt. It's commonplace for everything to be hyped up out of proportion especially these days. Looking at it all analytically instead of emotionally is the way to make progress.