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I misread what you wrote and thought you were speaking in terms of China compared to the US.

As far as there being less pollution, let me rectify what I said. I should have said the past 30 years versus the past 20 years, as there was much more industry causing pollution back then. Most of this industry has since been shipped overseas. It does appear (at least according to government EPA graphs) that there was a small increase in industrial CO2 since 1987, but the increase is relatively negligigle. I do find this to be slightly odd as over the course of the past 20 years alone, the US has went from a producer nation to a largely consumer nation. The graphs I just looked at do however show a decrease in industrial pollution from the early 80's onwards, but an increase in automotive pollution (which makes sense as there are more cars on the road than ever before).

 

I take offense to you saying I am a pawn of the corporations, Skip. If someone accused YOU of that, they would be banned in an instant. I would still like to see some EVIDENCE of how I am spreading "corporate propaganda," when all we are hearing about in the news is manmade global warming and how we're all doomed if we don't submit to a world government. Why won't you explain why Gore's movie is being shoved down the throats of children if global warming is such a threat to the corporations (which are simply the means to an end anyway).

You are also wrong about the government controlling the corporations. What we have today are the corporations controlling the government, which they are in bed with, combined with these high-level bureaucracies. You asked me why the industries aren't doing anything about it, but I am not so sure what you mean. If you understood Hegelian dialectics, which is what their entire system operates by, then you would know that they always offer the problem as well as the solution to that problem THEY created by design. The corporations are the problem in this dialectic, and if you go back to the 70's and read CFR-Club of Rome-Trilaterial Commission documents, they talk about the gradual deindustrialization of America, and how all its manufactuing capabilites would be sent abroad as the US submerges into this third-world technocracy/dictatorship. So this was all planned, and this goes hand in glove with the environmental agenda as it sends all our manufacturing jobs abroad.

Have you ever considered who some of the top shareholders of the biggest corporations are?

 

Yeah, it's the elites which control the corporations and the banking system, which control the governments, which control the people. I guess I simply misinterpreted what you wrote.

 

You are going to have to point out what you see as contradictions, because I do not see any. Are you referring to what I was talking about before? Corporations and governments alike are both tools of the incredibly wealthy and powerful people that own them. The people at the top do not care about money, they care about power. Money is nothing to them since they create money out of thin air, then determine its worth. Governments and the corporations that control them are simply a means of centralizing power and controlling the population with ever-increasing bureaucracies that eventually lead to totalitarianism (which is what we have now).

 

You know. I basically agree with you here, much as I hate to
say it. The so-called 'environmental movement' (mainstream)
is a corporate-sponsored disinformation campaign that isn't
doing or proposing anything that will save the planet.

"Global Warming", in particular, is a green herring. If vehicle
and industrial emissions were eliminated entirely, it wouldn't
even slow down the rate at which we are destroying this
planet.

The mainstream 'environmental' orgs and their corporate
masters want us to focus on "Global Warming" and to
ignore the other 99% of the harm we doing to the planet.

The "inconvenient truth" has become a convenient obsession.

What you don't seem to get is that the corporations are funding
BOTH sides of this fight because they want us to argue while
they trash the planet for jobs and profits and consumer toys.

LIttlefoot

 

Yes, of course they are funding both sides! I have said this all along. They fund both sides of EVERYTHING because that's how the Hegelian dialectic works. (Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis.) They fund both the Left and the Right. They fund both sides of every debate because they must CONTROL the information people are getting, making sure they don't get the truth. They know each "side" is dependent on the other for its survival, so they must control each side and pit the two sides against each other to create conflict, because out of chaos comes order. This is why the truth often resides OUTSIDE of the left vs. right/good vs. evil debate given by the mainstream media on all issues.

When it comes to global warming, they want you to take one side or the other, and it doesn't matter what side you take as long as you don't see things outside of the narrow "this vs. that" box they want to keep your mind contained in, while the public argues amongst themselves over these talking points the media gives them. That's why you have people who either embrace everything about man-made global warming as it is sold to them by the media and its established heroes, or they embrace the controlled opposition to the man-made theory, which is also sold by the media, which says it's all about making money or something like that. This is a complete diversion from the real agenda, but good for polarizing the debate nevertheless.

I talk about what the media WON'T talk about, and that's how elite power brokers, who merely PRETEND to care about the environment, are using fear and the threat of ecological catastrophe to push an agenda that entails more sovereignty-eroding international laws and regulations. It's no different than with 9/11, where fear was used to push forward all sorts of fascistic legislation and re-engineer society. It's no different with global warming, it's just that global warming is another outlet by which they are doing this and it appeals to a different segment of the population that isn't sold on the bogus 'War on Terror'.

 

A little information on Bilderberger:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/warming_legislation.html

And check out who was invited in 1999.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17214

 

Couldn't agree more, PR. You are absolutely right. Except for one little detail:
You can't pin it all on "elite power brokers". The damage being done to the
planet is the collective result of hundreds of millions of individuals with
supermaterialistic lifestyles.

They all will not accept any limitations on their materialism and this
is _reflected_ in the behavior of the "elite power brokers".

Tell me: What Corporation could exist for a week without consumers
purchasing its goods and services? The consumers are a critical
part of any Corporation.

LIttlefoot

 

its funny how pepole talk of they and them when it is US that allow THEM to remain and continue to enrich THEMSELVES, while providing these things WE buy!!! THEY dont have to do squat! WE do! and sorry rat but i dont think you should take offence with skips comment about being a corperate pawn, youv been saying that everybody is a sheep but you for a very long time. did you ever stop to think that it might be you who is brainwashed and being used by the elite? THEY are very sneaky you know!! when i was younger WE always spoke in terms of WE or I or YOU! now pepole speak in terms like ME, THEM,THEY!! but rat you did somthing in this thread that i havent seen you do all this time ive been reading your posts and arguments with balbus witch neither one of you actualy say anything,you asked what do we do!! lol sound familiar? hehe! now rat i agree with alot of the things you say i even defended you back when i first found this site, but i think you need to find a new subject! (variaty is the spice of life) the illuminati exist and they are us if we choose to be!! peace!!

 

see this dont fly so manufactering jobs go over seas this is not a us. issue its a WORLD issue think outside the BOX!

 

The thing it isn't is a large factor in Global Warming and killing of cute polar bears.

 

It applies to all industrialized (or rather post-industrialized) nations. I was simply using the US as an example.

 

As long as nationally we regulate domestically, while allowing corporate producers to move off shore without regulation and import with impunity, then aren't we just endorsing the killing of the polar bears.

 

Instead of forcing US citizens to give up their cars, why not address their purchasing of polluting goods?

 

We no longer produce hardly anything. The only things that we do purchase come from countries that don't follow environmental laws.

So the last thing they can control in our lives are the we own. We don't manufacture them. Next it will be all our appliances used in our homes.

While the countries spewing environmental contaminates are allowed to continue manufacturing, while our costs go up. We have to buy newer and newer goods, that are manufacturered by countries that continue to pollute, in order to save the polar bears. How long do we have to upgrade, while they add to the co2 levels?