Anti Gun people

did ya kill it?! that's good. anything that crosses my lawn is open for hunting. but those damn squirrels are to fast for my collector's item gatlin gun (didn't the brits invent that? best thing they ever did), except it siezes too much and is eve too loud for my neighbors. hard to believe, what with all the shooting they do every time they have a party. i keep telling them, what goes up, must come down, and they don't want the lawsuit that comes with that, i know from experience.

 

Thats not true, the Glock 17 recieved its name becuase it housed 17 rounds in the clip and 1 in the champer, you can also add the 2 round extension and I also have a 30 round mag for mine too. Sig offers a 17 round 9mm too.

 

the gatlin gun was invented by richard j. gatling in 1861. he was an american.

theres one at my school, right across the hall for the Medal of Honor room....pretty badass gun

 

Ooops my bad, I think the Beretta P92 is 17 round too, been too long since I owned one.

 

oohh, i want a M61 Vulcan - put it on my porch, no one will fuck with me

 

well, since the english invented the current american, then by god, they should receive credit for it!!!

 

Actually the AR15 was designed to be full auto and semi auto. It was issued during Vietnam and the early models cuased alot of deaths in our military becuase it was terrible wo use when dirty and to this day keeping it clean is an issue although not as bad. It was said that the thing to do was "kill a gook and take his rifle" (not my words) The AR15 now is actually 4 position (1) Safety (2) semiauto (3) 3 round burst (4) full auto.

The M16 a knock off of the AR15 is also designed to be full auto. Now the ones you can buy at your local gun store unless you have a class 3 license or are law enforcement are all semiauto but the original parts to convert are available to reinstall but are unlawful to install. The sell the part for "informational purposes" only. (thats a funny one)

 

.22 very underestimated round. It like the large .223 has a characteristic charm to follow the bone rather than bust up so it may go in say the arm but end up in the shuoulder or through the eye socket and instead of exiting the head it just swirls around the brain creating a nice soup.

 

The M-16 /ar15 Family Were And Still Are A Piece Of Shit Wanabe Military Rifle The Gun Was A Abortion Since Day 1.

 

Okay lets see if I can end the madness I created here.


Perhaps you both can agree that when a hi cap semi auto/full auto firearm placed in the wrong hands has the ability to be used wrongly on more people in a shorter period of time than say a bolt action or single shot firearm?

That maybe if a person entered a room of 50 people and only had 6 shots it would be less likely for him to kill 20 people as opposed to say he came in there with my Glock and the 30 round extended mag?

Maybe you can agree that like certian vehicles car to semi truck that maybe bolt action small caliber or revolvers ect should be set to a certain level of conditions to aquire and that more exotic hicap semi auto should require a bit more information on the person to aquire those type and the really cool shit like full auto should be yet another amount of conditions to aquire.

We have some of those steps actually inplace now, thus the class 3 license. For $250 a year and giving up your right to a search you can have one.

Perhaps what "God" was trying to say is he thinks that if they dont require people to prove they are capable of handling these weapons such as a class in proficiency to use the firearm and a safety class that would certify the owner instead of just selling them to people becuase they have not commited a crime. The class might also slow down the "crimes of passion" used in connection with guns becuase the class would require a little bit of time thus maybe cooling off may happen.

There still shall be the crimes commited with guns becuase a crimminal will not care about another crime in connection with another crime.


So perhaps, training to certify/ stiff punishment for current laws/ and swift action in connection with the laws and punishment would solve the problems far better than banishment?????

 

I WORK IN A GUN SHOP FOR 15 YEARS THE BLACK TALON WAS PULL OFF THE MARKET BECOUSE THE STUPID MORONIC ANTI GUN MEDIA IN THE 90S GAVE A REPUTAION THE THE BULLET DID NOT HAVE INCLUDING GOING THRU VEST . THE COMPANY TRYING TO PLAY SAFE JUST DISCONTINUE THAT MODEL. THE ASSHOLE MEDIA = A BUNCH OF RETARDS WHO NEVER EVEN WALK INTO A GUN SHOP UNTIL THE TV STATION FORCE SOME OF THEM INTO DOING SO.

 

Yeah Black Talons are called Winchester Ranger STX now, had to look at my other boxes, sold for law enforcement only....

 

Some great links:


http://www.vpc.org/graphics/where.pdf

Info on the Black Talon:
Winchester Black Talon controversy

In the early 1992 Winchester introduced a newly designed hollow point handgun bullet which used a specially designed, reverse tapered jacket. The jacket was cut at the hollow to intentionally weaken it, and these cuts allowed the jacket to open into six sections upon impact. The thick jacket material kept the tips of the jacket from bending as easily as a normal thickness jacket, and the bullet thus expanded to a slightly larger diameter than a similar design without the reverse taper. The slits that weakened the jacket left triangular shapes in the tip of the jacket, and these trianglular sections of jacket would end up pointing out and back after expanson, leading to the "Talon" part of the name. The bullets were painted black, and loaded into chrome plated brass cartridges, which made them visually stand out from other defensive ammunition. While actual performance of the Black Talon rounds was not significantly better than any other comparable high performance hollow point ammunition, the reverse taper jacket did provide reliable expansion under a wide range of conditions, and many police departments adopted the round, and it was aggressively marketed to the civilian defensive market as well, in an attempt to gain market share in the highly competitive market.

Winchester's marketing was eventually used against them. After a high profile shooting at 101 California Street in 1993, media response against Winchester was brutal. "This bullet kills you better", says one report; "its six razorlike claws unfold on impact, expanding to nearly three times the bullet's diameter, "[1] a gross exaggeration of the actual performance[2]. A legitimate concern was raised by the American College of Emergency Physicians, that the sharp edges of the jacket could penetrate surgical gloves, and increase the risk of blood borne infections being transmitted to medical personnel treating the gunshot wound. While possible, there are no recorded cases of such an infection occurring in relation to the Black Talon bullets[3].

Winchester responded to the media attacks on the Black Talon line by pulling the Black Talon line from their civilian marketing channels, and selling it only through law enforcement outlets. They also stopped using the black paint, and renamed the line Ranger SXT and later modified the production process to leave the cut ends of the jacket with rounded edges, rather than the points formed in the early models. The rounded edges had no function effect on the terminal performance, but addressed the ACEP's concerns about possible dangers to medical personnel.

Even though Winchester voluntarily pulled the Black Talon from the civilian market, they were subsequently sued for another 1993 shooting, this one in New York, involving the Black Talon cartridges. The suit claimed "negligent manufacture, advertising and marketing of a product that was unreasonably designed and ultrahazardous." However, the court found that "The very purpose of the Black Talon bullet is to kill or cause severe wounding. Here, plaintiffs concede that the Black Talons performed precisely as intended by the manufacturer".[4] Since the bullet was designed to cause rapid incapacitation, and since it performed as expected, the lawsuit was dismissed


As to some of the reasons it got pulled:

 

with all the crap they taught us at school, you'd think i would know something about guns. nope - i just let all that go through one ear and out the other. i can't even take apart the M14 anymore, or put it back together for that matter.

we get issued decommisioned M14 rifles at school for drill & cermony purposes, but with getting a few pieces, you can make it work again.