Anti-Male Bias all around us.

Why they'd talk about it is, I guess, to present the issue of anti-male bias in perspective. Maybe that's not important. As I said, I wouldn't have a problem with people discussing anti-male bias if that's what they were actually doing. But it seems to have far more to do with self-pitying whining about the "feminazis", and then citing really minor childhood discrimination, than actually discussing anything maturely. Just my opinion.

As oppose to a much-preferable pity party for men? Aren't we supposed to be better than them or something?

I think ideally we'd have a mature debate about it. But pretty much everyone here has shown themselves to be incapable. I know that goes both ways, and there are plenty of dumb feminists out there (particularly the male ones, tbh), but it seems stuff like this is only going to encourage them. I'd frown on those who hijack the thread immediately, before it's had a chance to descend into a fashionably-misogynist circle jerk, but on the other hand, you've got to admire their foresight.

But yeah, basically, people are mentioning anti-female bias in an anti-male bias thread because, basically, there's a lot more of it, and there's a tendency for men to use a tiny shred of discrimination against them as justification for being knuckle-dragging throwbacks to the age where we didn't let them vote (just as feminism was sometimes hijacked by those who had no desire for sex equality and just hated men flat out).

 

You're right. You didn't. But I kinda figured that, which is why I tackled it from both sides. I know it's not ideal, and there are double standards, but as guys, we do still benefit from it more often than not.

I think there is room for debate on whether the double standard should be there or not - whether it's worth trying to iron out the cultural differences between men and women. Doesn't that assume that we are equal, that gender is a construct? I'm not entirely convinced of that.

 

Have you evern looked the subject up?

The reason we're talking about anti-female bias in an anti-male threads is because the feminists want to, and God forbid you argue with them and get your account delete! The feminists don't want to talk about how men are descriminated against or ways in which there's a catch-22 against men, because, well, they have to maintain the illusion that we should pity and cater to women!

But you really should look up anti-male bias. You'll come up with a lot of interesting things. And women aren't really descriminated against anymore. Sorry... maybe your info is outdated?

 

mabye im just not thinking but i cant think how guys benifit at all from it other than the claim that they get paid more for the same work i mean look at a divorce probly 99% of the time if both parents were not screwd up the mom would get the kids and the dad would probly like neaver get to see them but still pay support ...and on a smaller scale girls are genearly treated better....i can think of so many examples like when i was at school and u had to be working to be in the libarly the girls wouldent and neither did the guys but only the guys got kiced out

 

Where would I "look the subject up"? I'm sure that if you "looked the subject up", you'd be able to find plenty of evidence of anti-female bias to ignore, but in terms of institutional sexism, it very rarely favours women, I promise you.

The pro-male salary bias is hardly a "claim", by the way, it's very much demonstrated by pretty much any statistic you'll find. I'd be impressed if you could find any evidence to the contrary.

The idea of the double standard isn't a totally bad one. It's about equivalency rather than equality; men and women having their place in society, with their own privileges and responsibilities, rather than one simply being a second class citizen.

OK, I'll go for a REALLY obvious example: Men are not judged on their appearance to anywhere near the extent that women are.

I mean, I know that you are going to argue against this, and you are going to be wrong, but still, it needs saying.

And I don't suppose there's anything I can say that'll persuade you that, for example, 98% of the time that's more involvement than the father even wants? Or that parenting and housekeeping is still disproportionately loaded onto the mother/wife, even in households where both work? I'm not saying this isn't being turned around gradually over the years, but you're acting like it isn't still the case for most women and never was. That or you're just unaware of it. This isn't feminazism, you know, this is just the truth! No-one's asking you to worship women or even to apologise, but if you're not aware that there's even been an issue, that's a problem.

See, while I am mildly amused that so many of your examples of how anti-male bias is everywhere are from your schooldays (How long ago was that, exactly? I'm just curious as to whether you've had any personal experience of it since then), I'd agree that this kind of stuff is more problematic, because it comes down to changing people's minds, not just the laws. There are still laws which are unfairly biased against once gender or another, and I'd be open to the idea that, while those against women have been addressed by feminism, some of those against men have not received the same kind of attention. I won't concede that all of them haven't been, because that's not the case - prime example: homosexuality used to be legal for women and not men; this has since been rectified.

As I've already said, I think the problem people are having with this thread is that many of those who've posted in it have a serious lack of perspective. They're seeing one inequity against men, and arguing against it, and that's fine, but when that assertion comes packaged with "AND THE FEMINISTS RUIN IT ALL AND THEY GET TO HAVE EVERYTHING", and this bullshit about there being "hardly any anti-female bias left"... I mean, it just completely undermines any point you may have had.

 

effing ithica. he got banned fast. i know you're looking, ithica!! wth?

it's going to be boring for a while.

 

Serious though: who got banned for arguing with the evil feminists? And was that absolutely 100% how it happened?

 

probably not. my boy there pisses people off everywhere.

 

all i can say is this; 51 pages, wow.

 

okay how about this.

if your a man and you molest a child, you get 10 - 20 years in prison and for the rest of your life your on a sex offender registry.

if your a woman and you molest a child, you get 6 months - 2 years and rarely have to register for the registry.

there's no such thing as antimale bias?

your stupid.

 

"You're".

*snicker*

 

Well duh, that's because men enjoy sex more than women (and rightly so).

In all seriousness though, I once looked at a sex offenders register, and a good third of it was chicks. I guess apart from anything, there's a bunch of stuff chicks are allowed to do to children which would be gross if they were done by men - e.g. forcing them out through a hole in their genitals, breast-feeding them, being alone with them in public.

 

Bias against women is nothing new. It's in most religious texts. It may even go back to the biological imperative that unfortunately can make women vulnerable. You would think that in a literate society these kinds of things would fade. But they don't.

What is interesting though is that modern society has indeed come up with various forms of bias against men. Bias that would not likely exist in a less enlightened time. Custody of children is one place where we see it a lot. I'm not surprised feminists would ignore these kinds of things to gain a sense of "payback" for all those eons of unfair treatment. This attitude causes the pendulum to swing to the other extreme.

And when it does, no good comes from it. Look at the status of race relations in America. A massive government effort was created to equalize decades of injustice. It has changed the whole face of America. But at what cost? The very programs that were designed to curb discrimination have actually created more of it. But since programs like Affirmative Action only discriminate against a majority demographic, it's readily accepted as proper "payback".

If it keeps swinging back and forth, no progress will be made. So until Feminists agree to limit discrimination directed at men and are willing to fight for it. Or until black folks are willing to fight against programs that discriminate against white folks, not many changes are going to take place. You can't have REAL equality unless it applies to everyone.

So this payback mentality and these payback programs don't solve problems, they create them, delay them, or amplify them. You can't have true "Diversity" unless you also include everybody.

CF

 

so that makes it okay for a 19 year old babysitter to bring over her friends to make a 12 year old boy lick whipped cream off their vaginas? or to finger them each in turn? because he's a boy it makes it okay for them to do that, right?

 

"for all those eons of unfair treatment" what exactly was unfair and bad about the old system?

 

Um.... y - yeah?

Can you cite a (reputable) source on this, or not?

 

really. so it was okay that they basically forced him to "service" them? nevermind the fact that they were all 19 something, and he was just a young boy, and to someone his age an adult- any adult- can be an imposing figure? or what about a teacher that threatens to fail her student unless he sleeps with her?

yea i guess it's perfectly okay as long as a woman is doing the molesting, right? i guess when the boy in question protested "i dont want to do this", the phrase "no means no" doesn't apply if you're a young boy and the aggressor is an older woman?

oh but if a 16 year old girl willingly and happily sleeps with a 24 year old man, he goes to jail and it's all over the news what a "pervert" he is and what a "child molestor" he is and how he "raped her" and all this. but it's okay if, say, a 19 year old girl puts whipped cream on her twat and forces a young boy to lick it off her. that's perfectly acceptable.

sorry, i don't agree with you. and i beat the shit out of the girl that did that to my son, because law enforcement wouldn't do anything.

thanks.

 

hey! you stole my line!

 

it's nay.

americanwomensuck.com is also a good time.

 

Lonely, bitter mysogynists unite!