Anti-Male Bias all around us.

I doubt you would be called a self-righteous pig if you weren't one, but I guess we'll never know now, eh?

 

Since your statement was directed at me and ended in a question mark, I'll accept that as a question, and eventhough it was border-line insulting, it was civil enough that I can justify defending myself against your near-accuzation of being a pig without contradicting my previous statement of doing my best to keep my posts in this depicable thread to a minimum. If you were to know me, then you would know that I was raised in a family where the men are gentleman, and our women are real ladies. The delicate part of this topic would be the part where I'd have to explain how a man can be the head of the house while not sounding like it's a degrading situation for our women. We treat our women like royalty, and would protect them with our lives. We honor marriage vows, and we respect our elders. Not everyone agrees with all that would be dicussed in the long-version, and to avoid being lumped in with someone who uses the word "feminazi" because I can relate on a minimal level, I decided to speak a small piece until you chimed in. So now you know.

 

I didn't accuse or "near-accuse" you of being a self-righteous pig. I simply said that, if you are not a self-righteous pig, we will have no right to call you one. I object to be accused of accusing you, but I can't be bothered to discuss it further than that because I know what I said.

There isn't anything wrong with a man being "the head of a household". What people - or at least, what I had a problem with in this thread was the assertion by a now-apparently-deleted poster that it was "the natural order" for that head to be a male. There's nothing wrong with a household having a head; it only becomes sexist when a person barred from being the head of a household because of their sex.

 

I understandnow what you meant, and I appologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. I see what you were saying now, and I was wrong to be so quickly spiteful. I was going to give you my appology in a PM, but since I errored in a public thread, I feel it's only right that I appologize in the same fashion. I beg your pardon for my mis-read of your intentions.

EDIT: I couldn't help but notice where you said:

This is where it would become interesting to try and explain myself without sounding like a "pig." I simply wanted to say that we may have different opinions, but I'm willing to agree to disagree in trust that we understand that we are both mutually good/caring people at heart, and want nothing but what's best for our own families reguardless of the difference in how that is to be achieved.

 

Gah. I'm a chick, and the bias annoys me. I'm in a class right now called "Gender and Religions," and it's all about women and gays, mostly in Christianity. No, wait, we switched. We're in Vodou now at the end of the semester. Big switch, ri-ight.

I'm going nuts. I'm a woman, and bi, so apparently I'm supposed to be only interested in this part. A fair half of the world population in just being ignored! I've tried to bring it up in class, and even the men in class say that I've "bought into the patriarchy's brainwashing." No, I'm just trying to bring a little egalitarianism in. I'm even doing my term paper on masculine spirituality in Neopaganism (goddess-faith, kind of). The teacher called my idea groundbreaking, but told me that there would be almost no sources.

I. Found. Sources.
Bite me.

Rant over. I feel better.

 

yeah, that's pretty silly. that's not really at all ground breaking. it's pretty heavily entrenched in the goddess faiths. there's no female without male. where the hell did your teacher get his or her education?

 

genders clashing like this is so stupid.

male and female are permanetly interlocked forever. there will never be one without the other, and that means that they are equal.

 

To be fair, the male population isn't being ignored; pretty much all of history has been written by men. Not that that invalidates it, but minority/oppressed thought tends to be overlooked. They tend to go to lengths to represent it simply because, without those efforts, it is glossed over. Some assume that the views of said minorities are represented purely because they are not rioting in the streets anymore. Personally, I don't know why they're not.

It is one of those tricky situations. Opposing male dominance over Western culture isn't anti-male, or at the very least not anti-current male. Most of us, myself very much included, have grown up in a male culture. I don't know that a female culture would be different, and I'm intrigued by books like The Cleft by Doris Lessing, which strongly imply that a symbiotic relationship needs to be arrived at between the female nurturing instinct and the male sense of adventure and invention...


but it's a whole other topic. I'd be interested in discussing it with the strong-willed, but I'm loathe to raise the issue as often people tend to reject the idea that women are less than perfect off hand

 

Doesn't mean we're not doomed to drive each other crazy though

 

For the love of rightousness, Women Are Not A Minority.. we out number men world wide 5 to 1.. and futhermore if you don't start paying attention, your gonna get run over. We're not gonna forsake it, you can not make it.. we're gonna take it back.

You may as well get with the program.. you'll never inslave us again, Peroid!!.. and when we free the other women from manhell, the world will indeed change.

I'd like to add, I am no man hater, I love all life. I just don't like some of the things they do to us. I'm a perfect example of what men are capable of as they are loving their women.. the scares on my body/face is testimony. The invisable inner scares bleed everytime I see injustice to women..There are more like me.. I am not unique in this experience.

I do see a trend starting.. Men are becoming more aware of womens needs and that finally we are being accepted as human beings instead of chattle. It's just the beginning.

We need to work TOGETHER and stop all this equaility BS and just BE Natural.

Bright Blessings
sh

 

I think confuzzled was just stirin up shit bc he's not even posting anymore, he's watching us and LHFAO.

 

You are joking, right?

Honestly, I don't think it's all one way. Women, on average, are just as shit and understanding males as men are at understanding females. You only have to watch the hetero-mating game to see how clueless both sexes are about how the other thinks and how much they should care. I see an actual bias in the way that, for example, women expect men to think like women, and call them insensitive if they don't, as if not doing what someone wants can only mean that you didn't understand the command. An understanding is good, but the idea that men should try to be more like women is pretty old-fashioned. Encouraging a world in which neither a masculine or feminine angle is automatically privileged has to be preferable to either one simply dominating the other. Ultimately, I'd rather be having this debate and acknowledging the difference between men and women, than trying to iron out that difference purely as a means of foreclosing the debate.

Personally, I think the notion that either sex is superior is frankly hilarious, because it's kinda like saying what your favourite cancer is; even if one is better, they're both pretty shit.

 

you just get better and better, man.

 

There's anti-human bias all around us, and it cuts both ways.

 

I'm bloody sexy as well. :drool:

 

So yeah, I had a quick look, and:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

5:1 = fucking stupid.

 

all the good ones already have wives or boyfriends.

 

I know, what is up with that?

 

well this is to be expected, considering there is 5 females for every male.

lol.

 

they're the ones worth keeping around. thus they are taken.