Antitheism?

It is a job of a good human being to try to cure ignorance in whatever form it may present itself. Whether that be in criticizing the idea that there is a benevolent celestial dictatorship always watching us or that one piece of land is more "holier" then the next. If the case was to stop preaching it would be the end of philosophy science etc.. itself.

 

Plus ...I like swimming and picking flowers

 

How do you know that you are not the ignorant one?

Who are you to judge them?

Philosophers and scientists don't preach. They communicate ideas and then idiots decide to make a religion out of them. Do you think that Jesus intended to create Christianity?

You are no better than the most fundemental Christian on earth as long as you keep on preaching and thinking that you are right.

 

"How do you know that you are not the ignorant one?"

For the reasons I listed above, I do not take outlandish pieces of scripture or doctrine written before we had a even small grasp on science or the human brain.



"Who are you to judge them?"

I am calling the religious ignorant because they cannot offer me proof of why I should believe thier opinon without having to revert to thier holy books.



"Philosophers and scientists don't preach. They communicate ideas and then idiots decide to make a religion out of them. Do you think that Jesus intended to create Christianity?"

Cant speak for a guy I do not believe existed. But if he is God then he must of known what is going to happen in the future therefore he did intend to create christianity.


"You are no better than the most fundemental Christian on earth as long as you keep on preaching and thinking that you are right."

I never killed anyone in the name of my philosophy or preached hate I look skeptically. If a christian or Hindu Buddhist or Jew can offer me proof I will not hesitate to believe

 

Faith and science have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Also, faith and logic has little to do with each other... which is why you will never find any proof for religion.

Also, you seem to not understand Christianity, since it never has claimed that Jesus was indeed God. There is also historic evidence of Jesus existing... he was a groovy carpenter who preached peace and love, man.

99.9% of Christians in this world have never killed anyone either.


I'm just telling you this because I was pretty much the same way as you when I was your age, a militant atheist... and now as I grew up I realized how stupid it is to be militant in anything.

 

"Faith and science have absolutely nothing to do with each other."


exactly

"Also, faith and logic has little to do with each other... which is why you will never find any proof for religion."

Which is why I will never believe.

"Also, you seem to not understand Christianity, since it never has claimed that Jesus was indeed God. There is also historic evidence of Jesus existing... he was a groovy carpenter who preached peace and love, man."


There is no evidence except for heresay which is the Bible which is not historical proof. Peace and love but if you dont think he was devine he will send you to burn in hell. Also most christian churches preach the trinity.The Bible itself said [size=-0]"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made".[/size]


"99.9% of Christians in this world have never killed anyone either."


You said I was the same as the most fundimentalist christan on earth what about those that have killed someone.


"I'm just telling you this because I was pretty much the same way as you when I was your age, a militant atheist... and now as I grew up I realized how stupid it is to be militant in anything."

I demand proof nothing more from religion I don't think that is militant.

 

I disagree. Science is based on faith--in the scientific method.

Do you feel the same way about the Buddha? What proof do we have, other than hearsay, that he existed? As for Jesus, there is as much evidence of his existence as there is for other figures of the time. His apostles Peter (bishop of Rome) and James (his brother and head of the church in Jerusalem) are known to have existed and claimed to have known Jesus well, in environments where people who were around could have easily refuted their claims. Is it plausible to think that they made him up out of whole cloth?

You're skeptical about Jesus' existence, but possibly not skeptical enough about the hell fire and damnation rhetoric that others attribute to him. Scholars of the Jesus Seminar don't think Jesus said these things. As for the Trinity, you're right. That's been the official doctrine of Christian churches since the Council of Nicea in the fourth century, Emperor Constantine presiding. Before that time, many Christians disputed it, as some do today.

Faith and proof are mutually exclusive. I see no "proof" for most of the things in life I have to make decisions about: dating, employment, voting, etc. Most of these invlove judgments based on as many facts as I can gather, supplemented heavily by faith (intuition + risk taking). And what level of proof do you require? Courtroom proof, or would administrative-level proof (probable cause, reasonable suspicion, non-arbitrary judgment, etc.) be enough. I'm satisfied with the latter.

 

There is historical evidence for the existence of Jesus.

Yet again, you are very ignorant about the bible. I suggest reading it before you start spewing shit.

Atheists kill just like Christians kill, it's not a matter of religion.

You are militant. You are attacking religion. You are demanding proof, yet no one is trying to convert you to begin with.

Pointless fight.

 

tell me about Jesus and the proof of his exsistence.

 

"There is historical evidence for the existence of Jesus.

Yet again, you are very ignorant about the bible. I suggest reading it before you start spewing shit."


There are NO documents during christ supposed life which mention him. No records which show pontius Pilate killing a man named Jesus. The earliest written Gospels were written many years after his supposed crucifiction. Josephus, Pliny (I think was his name),Talmud, Suetonius, Tactius all lived after the alleged life of Christ.

Of course I am not saying he did not exist I am saying we do not know.

Also I have read the Bible many times unfortunatly it gets more boring every time. Also no need to cuss I still consider you a friend a friend that happens to be debating me.



"Atheists kill just like Christians kill, it's not a matter of religion."

I never claimed that atheist have not killed. But are you saying no ones killed in the name of religion or done so becaus ethier religion told them so.

"You are militant. You are attacking religion. You are demanding proof, yet no one is trying to convert you to begin with.

Pointless fight."

Are you sure no ones tried to convert me I wasn't aware of that thanks for letting me know. I am asking for proof of course I am a human being and am naturally curious why someone thinks a bearded old man in the sky is looking down on me, Saying I am a sinner for being born.

 

"I disagree. Science is based on faith--in the scientific method."



Good point

"Do you feel the same way about the Buddha? What proof do we have, other than hearsay, that he existed? As for Jesus, there is as much evidence of his existence as there is for other figures of the time. His apostles Peter (bishop of Rome) and James (his brother and head of the church in Jerusalem) are known to have existed and claimed to have known Jesus well, in environments where people who were around could have easily refuted their claims. Is it plausible to think that they made him up out of whole cloth?
You're skeptical about Jesus' existence, but possibly not skeptical enough about the hell fire and damnation rhetoric that others attribute to him. Scholars of the Jesus Seminar don't think Jesus said these things. As for the Trinity, you're right. That's been the official doctrine of Christian churches since the Council of Nicea in the fourth century, Emperor Constantine presiding. Before that time, many Christians disputed it, as some do today."

It wouldnt matter all too much if The Buddha never existed With him there would be suffering without him there would be suffering. IF Jesus never existed then it would mean that no one died for our sins. Inventing history seems pretty common throughout history.




Faith and proof are mutually exclusive. I see no "proof" for most of the things in life I have to make decisions about: dating, employment, voting, etc. Most of these invlove judgments based on as many facts as I can gather, supplemented heavily by faith (intuition + risk taking). And what level of proof do you require? Courtroom proof, or would administrative-level proof (probable cause, reasonable suspicion, non-arbitrary judgment, etc.) be enough. I'm satisfied with the latter.

Courtroom proof

 

People say a lot of silly things.

Don't let them get to you though.

One day you'll realize that Nietzsche was a complete idiot who liked to fuck horses.

 

I dont really like Nietzsche Kinda why I am making fun of him in my sig.

So on other topics whatcha been doing lately?

 

Oh yea I tried pabst after I saw it in your sig (I know I am impressionable) its fucking disgusting.

 

So naturally you'll be displaying a PBR photo in your sig? "The swill of tyrants and rednecks" or something along those lines?

 

Me? I'm just living.

In Florida right now, taking a break from the world for a couple of weeks and workin' in a greenhouse.

Haha

Pabst is the best of the shitty shitty beer out there. It's more of a joke than anything... it's the cheap beer all the cool socialist kids drink

 

Well say hello to all the nice old jewish couples down there.

Speaking of Socialist kids I am thinking of getting myself a Che shirt all the cool kids have em and they look so retro.

 

I used to have a Che shirt when I was 16.

Then I grew up.

 

but he was supreme prosecutor! Plus he executed aids victims and every knows how much I hate aids

 

Jesus as the son of God.

...and yes, Jesus the man.