Any Athiest LSD Users?

Hmm there actually seems to be many atheist lsd users on hipforums after looking at many personal pages.

 

consciousness can be completely physicaly observable. qualia can be observed from a different perspective with a brain scan. Here's an interesting article I found that argues there is no hard problem of consciousness: http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/HARDPROB.html

 

Interesting article, it says a lot, but really offers nothing mind-blowing.

Anyway, there are different types of consciousness: Awake, sleep, etc.

I don't think existence needs experience in order for you to still exist; dying is just a transformation; you go into a simple state of being.

Also, I don't understand peoples attitudes towards mind-altering drugs. Why is everything that you have experienced, suddenly become moot? "Oh, it was only the drug..." or "I came back to reality", well, how do you know that what you were experiencing before wasn't a greater depiction of reality? - If you believe that our current perception of reality is just a grouping of drugs/chemicals, then why is that perception more important - If everything is just perception, than everything that we come up, yes, even everything within science, is just man made, and just fulfills our anthropomorphic views on reality. Saying that nature is all that is; is like saying that your perception on reality is the superior one. Well, how do you know?


Could we survive in a psychedelic mind state? Probably not, no. But why measure the importance of a mindset by how useful it is for our survival? You have just subscribed to the notion that survival is the most important thing, because it is within your perception to say so.


What are you left with if you pick apart everything? Being a skeptic doesn't end with religious belief; it continues on with science as well; Be a skeptic to science; Why is science immune - It isn't.


Think about these things, and you may start to understand. It is kind of like hitting a force field.


I like how terror management says that people have religious beliefs as a method to shields themselves from the fears of death. But never explain how people are actually terrified of living for eternity. Surely this adds a new dimension to this topic. Perhaps atheists are atheists to shield their fears of eternal existence?


"Time is the fire in which we burn."


- George Lucas did a good job of finding the essence of all religions by calling it the force. I don't think Lucas added the idea of the force to his movie just to add some interesting depth; There is a lot more to it than just that; There is a lot of thought behind it - Same thing can be said about the matrix... I don't think any of the ideas about the matrix is just to sound cool.

All of the characters that can weild the force are strong minded, and are able to do things with their will alone - Will, or mind, whichever you want to call it - The differences in characters, however, is that one side are the balanced ones - think of the ying and yang... anakin was on the dark side, and remained there, and remained there through, fear, which lead to anger, which lead to hate, which lead to suffering. Strong minded, but still in the dark.

 

I'm fucking staggered to see the replies in this thread! LSD encouraged atheism? What?

I understand everyone trips differently but acid gave me such big awereness. I used to be a total atheist and that has completely changed. I'm not of any particular religion (although existensialism suits me best) but when I did acid, I knew there was something more. A higher existence. A long spiritual travel after death.

It's really strange that some acid trippers think there's nothing after this life. A black hole.

Whoa.

 

You know why that is, mojo? And to everyone, I don't say this to be condescending... it's just what I have noticed.

Some people are going to just hold onto their atheism, no matter what. Some just really don't want to know the truth. People become atheists, and say, "WELL, I'm chillin out here, no more asking questions, there aint anything higher."

In order to be able to realize the transcendent, the first step is to become open to it, otherwise you'll just go into a neurotic type of state. People enjoy to label, and to turn everything into mere objects - it's simpler that way.

There is a higher language, a cosmic language, if you will, that is a far superior communication system than anything that we use on a daily basis.

First step is to open your mind, and the second step is to think and to trust your intuition. Our intuition may be the only hard piece of evidence that we all have.

There are spaces between us all, because we can't realize, or be fully sure that others are experiencing what we are experiencing... I heart huckabees can explain this better than I can.

 

I dont feel that it is as much a case of not being open to truth, as much as it is a case of not being exposed to it in a way that overwhelms the mind. Human determination and thought is a powerful tool of creation on our level, but in the realm of God it is a fragile, pathetic attempt at copying what is already here and shatters like a windshield in an accident. Some people just need to live through an accident in order to appreciate God, that's all. -

 

I don't know. I have read LSD experiences on erowid that were written by atheists that say they were about to reach God, but didn't because at the moment he thought, "it's just the acid" and then he came down.

You aren't going to reach that point if you just keep popping those thoughts into your head like a neurotic.

 

I started out being an atheist because I hate Catholicism(way too many rules) when I trip out I don't feel a higher connection with God, the only god I'm willing to validate is the god of self. The internalized spirituality we experience everyday regardless of what drugs we are on at the moment. Everyone is trapped in their own little bubble of reality and ACID helps me understand my own bubble but not the afterlife as it is supposed to be. Life is what you make of it and that's one of the big realizations I got when I was tripping.

 

This is the point I am trying to make though, if a person was just about to reach God and their thought overpowered God's presence, then God hasent revealed Herself to that person yet because they aren't ready. Well I mean Im not speaking for God here :tongue: this is just how it felt for me when my atheism became laughable.

 

Ah, now I understand what you mean. Good point.

They just aren't ready.

No problem. We have all eternity.


Great article:

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time

 

Another problem, what I feel to be problemo numero uno, is that chica's look without to find God, when in fact, God is within. Sure, God is in everything, but She is within, not next to, on top of, behind, or underneath. WITHIN!!!!!

 

When I used LSD my senses were opened/expanded and I felt more connected to my surrounding environment and thus physical like it. Maybe at I higher dose I would feel more spiritual applying social concepts like social hiarchy and stuff to physics in stead of the other way round because social concepts might be more on the front of my mind than physics so for some reason thus for some reason I might make physics a subset of the social concepts.

How do people feel/think about the the theory that 'hallucinations' come from meta-cognitive bias? Meta-cognition is pretty strong when tripping for me I theoretically couldn't tell from my perspective if it is biased(on second thought I think the wikipedia page for hallucination was mixing up halucination and reality testing). I don't know how or what could make it biased(maybe lack of balance, but nonbalance only probabilistically distorts thinking not logically(I think)).

 

I'm an atheist, actually a nihilist and I've taken LSD 9 times now, I was one before that and I still am now, ideologies didn't change much at all, I was already very sure about them before and thought a lot about it, in a trip it only made the sense it made before. Maybe I became a bit stronger in what I already think, I mean I already knew everyone's view is subjective but nothing shows that so clearly as LSD in my point of view.

 

What I discovered with acid, is partly nihilistic.


That we make a circle and come back to the place we're currently at. And that, in the long run, this life is rather pointless.

But there's something after death. There is..

 

I recommend that you watch the movie 12 monkeys, Mojo.

Life isn't pointless.

 

But guitarman Im not saying that God is not outside, Im saying that God is not without you, She is within. By this I mean that when we consider that we, as well as every other gross matter in the universe, are composed of atoms, there is a sense of being connected or One with everything. The way I see it, God permeates reality and we are a condensation out of Spirit, much like the string that ties together the beads of a necklace. So the aspect of God being outside of you is only a part of the illusion of seperation or duality, as in fact the soul is equal with all souls and we are all created out of the same material. Finding equality in that which is without you is what is important, but other than that not much comes from searching externally. As Christ, Krsna, Buddha, and most of the rest said, the answers are within, not without. Looking for God through Her presence in a tree might bring happyness and a sense of profound esoteric attunement, but looking within and breaking down the levels of cosmic delusion within your own Self will bring eternal bliss and God consciousness.
I mean, I hear what you are saying guitarman, God is most definitley without as much as within. But I just personally feel that the answers to all questions come from your own inner nature rather than outside of you because what you perceive outside is subjective, but what you experience as knowledge inside is objective.
Just some thoughts to share
Asalaam aleikum brother. Love Om shanti -

 

acid made me realize im a pantheist

 

I've seen 12 Monkeys, I love it.

It's not pointless per se, there's lots of stuff to do here but it won't matter as much in the long run. It does matter but there's more important things. It's really hard to explain but I hope you know what I mean : )

 

Acid neither helped me justify the existence of a God or the lack of one. I am an Athiest, but am open to the idea of a higher being but don't believe in any form of live after death. If anything, Acid has shown me that the whole matter is far above our level of perception. If only we knew the answers.

 

That's one of my favorite movies.

Check out Dark City.

Also, I think I know what you're getting at. Don't take life too seriously, but at the same time, find meaning, improve on yourself, be a good person, and enjoy life.

All the tyrants in history and the present are the biggest jokes - They take life so seriously, and never realize that they missed the purpose of life.

There is no secret to life... there is no perfect path. Just live, and find the path in your life.

Simple.


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You can discover some truths - You just have to look within, and to stop being a neurotic, always letting your ego to step in and push you around.

There is life after death; It just really isn't exactly the way we picture it - We continue to exist in some form, and I don't really know what form that is.

In before: "Ya, as rotting flesh."

lol.