anyone actualy want to stop?

I definitely don't want to stop and I can't really see why anyone else would want to. I guess it's all personal preference.

 

why would i wanna do a silly thing like stop?

 

Haha. Exactly!

 

does tht site work anymore?? i click on it and it says the page cannot be displayed

 

no

 

Are you nuts? Why would I ever want to stop????

 

if someone give me reasons why i should stop then maybe i would consider about stopping it

 

The only reason I'd ever ease-up on it would be if I had a nympho of a girlfriend (Hopefully that'll happen).

I tried to abstain so i wouldn't be tired. It didn't help. I'll never stop .

 

Why the HELL would i ever wanna give up on masturbating?

 

Even if this were serious, which I have my doubts about, consider the following:

The entire medical profession are in full agreement that masturbation is a normal & healthy practice, both physically & mentally - Remember, these are the the ones who have strong scientific evidence to support their claims.

The only ones who ever try to make masturbation seem a shameful & unhealthy practice are the religious fanatics who have nothing but their debatable interpretations on scriptures which are not only based on nothing more than superstition, but have also had their original meanings altered through aeons of multiple translations, with each translation adding yet more personal interpretations.

Furthermore, it also seems a bit too much of a coincidence that the majority of known & convicted child molesters & other sexual offenders are also those of a religious background - and all too often, actual members of the clergy.

In brief, if someone tries to say that it is a sin against God to masturbate, then that should be taken as being advice from someone who probably has more than a few sexual perversion issues themselves.

Also, the only point that even comes close to mentioning masturbation in the Bible is in the story of Onan where according to Jewish tradition of the day, if a man was to die without issue, then it was the duty of his brother to impregnate his widow. This was the task of Onan after his brother had died but, as the Bible said, he let his seed fall on barren ground, which is more more a description of contraception by way of using the withdrawal method than that off masturbation - and the only form of contraception, incidentally, of which the Catholic Church approves.

 

i dont want to stop it and i dont feel guilty about that. if God would like to make humans not to masturbate, he would make it painful

 

Hell no...when i was younger maybe cause I was taught masterbation was wrong...lol

 

Far from wanting to stop, I'd like to be able to increase the number of times it's physically possible to do it each day.

 

I'd love to stop. I probably will soon enough. I can easily go a week without it and I'm training for longer.

It's so fucking annoying.

 

Not that I'm advocating stopping in particular (I think ultimately it's a personal choice that's dependent on many specific factors in the individual's life), but I can definitely give you a reason. Sexual energy is dissipated everytime climax is reached, but can be stored and accumulated by abstaining from climax. Given the right circumstances and intentions, this energy can actually be channeled in such a way that it can produce positive shifts in consciousness (e.g. along the lines of meditation or a positive psychotropic drug experience). If properly utilized, it's actually possible to increase mental clarity, physical energy and resilience, and enhance an individual's sense of "personal power" (ideally in a non-egoic way of course). This isn't common knowledge IMO because in a societal sense we're still being strongly influenced by the backlash from the rigid, pre-baby boomer value systems, that as most people now know encouraged sexual repression.

For the record, I've been experimenting with storing up sexual energy as an aspect of my spiritual pursuits for the past six or seven years, and I can DEFINITELY say that when the energy is being channeled properly the effect on my awareness and perceptions is obvious as well as beneficial. So yes, within the proper context, there can definitely be good reasons for abstaining from masturbation (and orgasm-oriented sex).

Travis

 

while i know that some people believe and practice this, and am not disputing the effects you experience with this kind of sexuality "storing," i have to say there are easier ways to do this. the strictures of methodology (for anything you want to do) can easily turn into very similar energetic traps as the bullshit sexual repression imposed by morality, religion, etc.

the ultimate heights of sexual expression and fulfillment are not to be LEARNED. they are inherent in our nature. we just think too much about it. while i'm not saying that the kinds of practices you describe are detrimental, i do not believe they should be followed exclusively. i've seen the damage that can do. (long story and it involves someone whose experiences i'm not comfortable sharing without his knowledge)

for myself, i love to masturbate, have sex, and orgasm, many times a day. and my sexual energy does not diminish. in the least. in fact, it helps to sustain it, when i keep myself consistently in that energetic flow. not only to sustain my sexual energy, but to sustain my clarity of spiritual awareness. sexual activities can be (but not always are) a very spiritual experience, but that does not mean that it needs to be "perfected" or "learned." just as spirit is within each of us, so is that sexual energy. it's like love. it doesn't grow less because you come to love another person. a mother's love doesn't diminish for her other children when she has a new baby and loves her too. it grows, the more of it there is!

 

I absolutely agree. However, my practices were never bound by "methodology" of any kind. My choices were made primarily in the spirit of experimentation, and I don't believe I've ever deviated from that fundamental intention. As far as your assertion that there are easier ways to accumulate sexual energy, if you have a particular technique or approach in mind, please share, because I've never encountered any literature or had any personal experiences that would support that claim.

Yes, but if you're at all familiar with eastern/new age etc. spiritual principles, then you're probably aware that by definition we're not identified with our true nature. As a result, it's safe to assume that the experience of LEARNING can be completely congruent with authentic spirituality and sexual expression.

I guess all I can say is that that is an unfortunately narrow-minded belief. As I tried to make very clear in both my opening and closing statements, determining one's relationship to their own sexual energy is a very personal decision. Based on your descriptions of your own experiences, you appear to be strongly engaged with your sexuality, and for you this could very well be conducive to spiritual growth. My objective from the beginning was simply to point out that there are other, equally legitimate, approaches to relating to one's sexuality.

I'd also have to disagree with you that sexual energy can be equated with love. Love is omnipresent and eternal and transcendent of the material world. Sexual energy is bound by our physiology, and just as with all aspects of the material world, is subject to the laws of impermanence and alteration.


Travis

 

Jeez, I want to start. I wish I wasn't in the library right now.

 

Hey Radar, I'm actually intimately aware of eastern and especially new age spiritual principles I've studied them formally and experientially and what you say is exactly the reason why true nature cannot be uncovered that way. You cannot define true nature it simply is. And learning what you are is impossible. Removing the blocks to experience of being is one thing but it's not a learned process or codification. That's the difference between religion and spirituality. It places an external access point to something you can only do internally.

This is possibly the single thing I disagree with the most in nearly every system I've ever encountered. There's no such thing as a separation of energies. All energies that flow are singular. Or if you want to get really abstract don't even exist in the first place. I can verifiably say from experience that there's no separation, in essence, between sexual and heart energy. They appear different because we process them differently but energy simply is. If we put it through our heart it feels like love. If we process it sexually it feels like sex. In essence it is the God energy or pure creation itself. It's the very cessation of that flow that leads to violence, to any sort of negation or negative feeling. And those blocks are simply errors in processing. Any sort of storage or accumulation loses the vibrancy of that energy because you're removing yourself from the flow itself. It's like putting air in a bottle it gets stale, same general idea. The only lack of any sort we have is the one we make. We are perfect and whole and changeless just as the energies which flow around and make us up only the perception of them being anything but what they are is that which creates the perception of needing to grow. There's nowhere to grow there's only that which makes us up and to that we open and fall into the is.

I'm totally not saying this to blast you or because I'm angry with you nakedtreehugger is my lover and she's helped me out with a lot of these energies. Simply experiencing them is the only way to get there. So you can't really "learn" you just get exposure and feel what it does to them and then likewise relax and flow with it. It's all about complete and total release of control.

On to your original post the only reason there's any sexual diminisment in energy likewise is if you tie yourself to that lack. If you charge sexual release with a negative association of course you'll diminish your energy. Likewise if you tie your worth with someone elses sexuality you'll you'll diminish them because you already have percieved that diminishment in yourself. If you're really free sexuality with yourself or anyone else should envigorate everyone involved.

Keys to knowing what's up will be total freedom surrounding sex. If you feel guilty in any way or like you're not performing or being like you should you're in the middle of a judgement of some kind. Sex is pure free and whole and if it's not fun and free something's wrong. There's no right way to sex, ie method or technique. There's just your way. And totally your process to getting there is your own and rock it and have fun with it. And if something else works for you... don't listen to me. Thanks for you post. Good stuff.

 

First of all, I never actually used the word "learning" in my initial post. Nakedtreehugger sort of projected that onto my words. As I've stated before, I was and still am only interested in experimenting with different energetic states. So your point about "removing the blocks to experience of being" is mute, because I never made a statement to the contrary. In fact I agree wholeheartedly -- the fundamental paradox of spirituality is that it is the "process of no process", in the sense that it can be experienced as a progression or gradual upliftment of consciousness but is ultimately unattainable due to its omnipresent nature. When I used the word "learning" in my response to Nakedtreehugger, I was only referring to the immediate experience of the spiritual aspirant, which can and usually is experienced as a continuum.

Let me just preface this by saying that this is of course just my opinion, but from my perspective it is with this statement that you've gone astray. There is a very distinct and fundamental difference between energy (whether sexual or otherwise) and what you might call spirit (or love or tao or beingness etc. etc.). Although sexual energy is of course more subtle and less corporeal than the energy that might comprise a pillar of marble or something that is concretely material, it is fundamentally still a manifestation of the material world. Think about it this way: what do you think sexual energy is at its essence? It is consciousness bound by physicality that knows instinctively that it is fundamentally transcendent of duality. As a result, it is compelled to experience this transcendence on the physical level that it is identified with -- by merging with it's opposing physical form.

This is quite simply untrue. Even an enlightened person (or in some sense, especially an enlightened person) could identify the energy dissipation caused by sexual release, just as they could identify a shift in their physical energy if they were to stop eating for a week (barring of course that they hadn't attained the ability to assimilate prana on a purely energetic level ). Self-judgement is another matter entirely.

Travis