Anyone else think the moon landing was a fake?

I feel that if the whole thing really was a hoax requiring millions of documents,miles of footage,hours of recorded film/conversation to be not only fabricated,but also for that fabrication to be kept more tightly secret than the Manhattan Project,plus the necessity of keeping hundreds of thousands of involved people around the planet totally silent for over 40 years,that Julian Assange would have been RIGHT in there exposing it,considering how monumental the exposure would be as a 'feather in the cap' for Wikileaks-not to mention it's value as a bargaining point.

So I have to side with KeithBC-actually doing it would pose the lesser challenge.
[plus,of course,accomplishing such an historical feat would/did give the USA the right to give the finger to it's rivals in technology]

 

It's real. It was for real. They really did it.

 

I hope you are being sarcastic.

 

Security and secrecy wasn’t an issue because the footage was filmed near Groom Lake in Nevada within the confines of Area-51

Hotwater

 

Hey there Stillcrazy. Of course the big issue is indeed the fraud's significance, its matter of import. Why should it matter to any of us?

Well, 3 reasons. We, my group, we'd like to expose the Apollo fraud in order to embarrass the culpable so that they'd be more or less forced to dismantle their weapons systems, systems created under the guise of the fraudulent American moon landing program. We'd like to expose the Apollo fraud as FRAUD to set science straight, set the record straight, about the realities of this world, the realities of what was and is. We'd like to expose the Apollo charade to mete out a bit of justice. We cannot put the PERPS in jail, but we can see to it so that they don't sleep so well at night.

Apollo was/is significant because it was/is a cover for military projects which were forbidden, forbidden in the sense they would have violated the 1963 Partial Test Ban Treaty, violated the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, violated other international treaties to which the US, Russia and other countries were signatories. Apollo was a cover for US military programs that were forbidden in the sense that the things the military dudes wanted to do, and did do, using Apollo as a phony peaceful front, could never have been done were the public so apprised, appropriately apprised, could never have been done as Congress would not have consented, would not have funded the programs. Most of these Apollo related projects had to do with our developing ever improving systems for ICBM and SLBM(Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile) tracking, targeting, performance. Projects for which Apollo was covered also included program development for earth positioning/locating systems, and space based reconnaissance and surveillance systems.

We are not "uptight" Stillcrazy. But we would like to know what exactly Apollo was a cover for because these programs for which Apollo fronted were illegal military programs, programs that developed weapons systems that were and ARE today prohibited by U.S. and International law, programs which the majority of Americans would have objected to then in 1960, and would object to strongly in 2012, programs which the Congress did not approve, programs the congress would object to funding today, were such funding requested. The military programs for which Apollo covered, programs involving space based reconnaissance and surveillance, programs involving the development of systems to better track, target, and improve overall performance of ICBMs and SLBMs, are programs which must be acknowledged as illegal today, as they were illegal in the 1960s and 1970s. As illegal programs, the associated equipment must be dismantled, dismantled because said equipment poses a risk to us all, a risk that would be viewed by most in the 1960s, and viewed by most today, as outrageous and unacceptable.

This is REASON ONE, why exposing the Apollo fraud is important. The fraud was connected to illegal weapons system development that still exists and must be dismantled. It is illegal equipment, built in violation of US and international law.

Exposing the Apollo fraud is also important with respect to meting out a bit of justice. Something on the order of several hundred people carried out this fraud, and in so doing, exposed us all to great risk. Any time ICBMs/SLBMs track, target, range, perform better than they had a "generation" before, the world is made all the more an unsafe place.

Additionally, and at root of our REASON NUMBER TWO, in the case of the Apollo fraud, men and women advanced the LIE that Armstrong and 11 others actually landed on the moon. This was/is not a harmless lie. The excuse they PERPs gave to themselves was that this lie was OK given US National Security was so very much threatened, and as such, ANYTHING was justified, including telling this 11 year old boy, Spencer, that Neil Armstrong actually walked on the moon. Wrong lie, wrong kid. I'll bust their sorry chops and set the record straight. Well I won't, not all alone anyhow, me and my friends will.

The enterprise of science is greatly injured by such unacceptable antics. Science is about learning and about TRUTH, not about pretending. The culpable; Armstrong, Aldrin, Aaron, Kranz, Kraft, Phillips, Nixon, Johnson, Collins, Berry, Garman, Schiesser, and so on and on, deserve very much to be PUNISHED, such as we can punish them. They deserve to be punished because they participated in a program that made the world a more dangerous place, and did this in violation of U.S. and international law. They did this in violation of our community's sense of morality. They did this and so violated science herself. The Apollo fraud PERPs raped our culture, raped the institution of science as well.

The Apollo fraud perpetrators "got away with it" early on. As long as people were unable to say exactly who was involved and why, as long as people talked about phony rocks, and phony photos, phony flag wavings when flags should not be waving, as long as people spoke only of phony photos devoid of phony stars and phony what not, the attack on Apollo, its exposure as fraud, the thentofore efforts at showing these U.S. manned space shenanigans to be the scammy nonsense it was and is, these efforts were anemic and ineffectual. Who cares Stillcrazy? You said it yourself, and I would tend to agree. Without exposing motive, method and culprit, studying the Apollo fraud IS IS IS a waste of time, and the PERPs knew this.

However, when our group came into the world of the Apollo fraud, now some 16 months ago, lead by our most capable young scientists, Jason and Torry, and with a voice so marvelously articulate, thanks to Patrick and his extraordinary skills as a writer, and for my money, Patrick is as much a leader as the others(Torry and Jason), as his writing has given a literary beauty, a romantic sense, to the whole Apollo fraud thing, not to mention some real metaphorical and satirical TEETH, things changed, advanced by light years. Thanks to the tireless efforts of our researchers and Patrick's knack with words, it became clear that Gene Kranz was a PERP. He was a PERP and we now know this for a FACT because he talked about using the LM as a lifeboat long before he should have. His speech to the flight officers in Mission Control 15 minutes after the staged Apollo 13 O2 tank explosion provided evidenced of his having FOREKNOWLEDGE. Kranz knew the LM was going to be a lifeboat way before anyone knew the LM was OK, way before anyone knew there would be such a need, and in so doing, Kranz showed us all that this whole Apollo 13 thing was scripted. John Aaron knew that "SCE to AUX" call would right a lightning struck Apollo 12 ship. The man that knows how to fix a bogus/scripted problem, of course knows it to be a BOGUS/SCRIPTED PROBLEM, and so John Aaron was spotted by our group as a fraud PERP. John Aaron knew Apollo 13's problems were NOT instrumentational, but rather mechanical, and this, from his home in his pajamas. Guys that identify problems from their homes in their jammies when their colleagues at the office are still confused, such guys are heiny jive merchants, bull peddlers, and we so nailed Aaron again and again, called him on his heiny jive. When Jack Garman told Steve Bales to tell Gene Kranz to let Armstrong land the Eagle despite the 1202 computer program alarm, we spotted Garman as the PERP he is, as IT IS PERPS THAT ADVANCE A SCRIPT'S ACTION, IT IS PERPS THAT TURN THE PAGE IN RESPONSE TO A PHONY PROBELM. The script said the Eagle was going to land that evening, so Garman's " !!!!!GO!!!!!!" meant/means said computer specialist was in on the know.

So you see Stillcrazy, once upon a time, Kranz, and Aaron, and Garman, and the other 4 or 5 dozen PERPS we've nailed to date, they could sleep at night. But ya' see, they can't anymore, because these little details got back to them/get back to them. Whenever we come up with something substantive, whenever my group figures something out, they have to tell the PERPS, so as they are not blindsided by a question related to one of our discoveries. The PERPS know that we know not only about Apollo's FRAUDULENCE, they know also that we know they, specifically THEY, WE NAME THEM ONE BY ONE, participated, and what's more, we know what they did, EXACTLY what they did in terms of perpetrating their little ruse. We spell it all out in devastating detail when we write of the nefarious PERP activities.

Apollo twit and innocent U.S. taxpayer rip off artist Emil Schiesser, assuming he is alive, knows that my colleagues and I know he is no genius, no hero, no mathematician, no trajectory specialist. We know he, Schiesser the shyster, is the man responsible for the whole phony LOST BIRD ploy, right there on the night of 07/20/1969. AND KRANZ, AND GARMAN, AND SCHIESSER, AND AARON, AND THE REST OF THE SCHMUCKS, THEY ALL KNOW WE KNOW, AND EXACTLY HOW IT IS WE KNOW, AND THEIR CONSCIENCES DON'T FEEL SO SWELL ANY MORE. THANKS TO US, JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED A BIT AND THE PERP CONSCIENCES FEEL RATHER UNSWELL.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread837129/pg1

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=216531

http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theories&thread=3203&page=9#92052

http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theories&thread=3203&page=9#92053

So Stillcrazy, my group, and a few other dedicated researchers, a few other dedicated groups of researchers, we have advanced the state of the art of Apollo Fraud Knowing to the point where several dozen of the perpetrators have become aware that they have been FOUND OUT. These dips now know that even in their lifetimes, a small but extraordinarily capable group of researchers have discovered them, know all about them, understand explicitly what went on, and that this knowledge of the fraud, now in the possession of the Apollo Docs of San Francisco and some others, can only advance all the more, as truth has a funny way of invariably expressing itself ever more robustly.

And as the youngest members of our group, Jason and Torry, only in their early 30s now, continue to research and write about the Apollo fraud, and make films, and give talks, and as they then pass this important task on to the next generation of researchers, we can all feel delighted in our knowing that within the next couple of decades, Apollo will be recognized word wide as the fraud it was, as the fraud it is, and that the names of the PERPS shall live in infamy, as they should; Armstrong, not a hero, but remembered as our group is ever so found of saying, as nothing more than a petty, rank, talent free thespian.

So exposing the Apollo FRAUD is important Stillcrazy. We expose the fraud to ultimately expose the illegal military programs/projects for which Apollo was a cover. We expose Apollo to embarrass the culpable, including those present day military personnel and members of the current administration, Obama included, embarrass them in such a way so that we will see a dismantling of the illegal weapons systems that Apollo helped to create. We expose Apollo to let the PERPS know that we know who they are and what exactly it was they did. We expose the Apollo fraud so that said PERPs, once finding out we're on to them, never get another good night's sleep, no sleep, now knowing their names will ultimately be associated with selling snake oil and peddling heiny jive, not going to no moon, no fake moon, no way, no how.

Exposing the Apollo fraud is important Stillcrazy. If the stuff behind Apollo wasn't so important, why does one administration after another spend so much time and energy covering it up and perpetuating the ruse.

Duck and cover !!!! Incoming !!!!

 

Ok-so assuming just for a mo that you're right and 1969 DIDN'T take place...


By now,2012,it would have.
Those secret weapons would STILL be secret,still be there,still be the reason for billions of $$$ spent concealing their presence.
Congress would STILL not know the 'true' reason for the moonshots,so would still consent the funding.
Just because something is 'forbidden' doesn't mean nobody does it-it means they do it covertly.
So-in reality, [and I'm NOT making light of your convictions fatty,I'm asking a genuine question] do you think you can REALLY make your government disband all it's alleged non-acknowledged,highly secret and to them non-existent covertly developed weapons systems by saying 'We know you're lying'?

After all,they just have to point to various non-aligned countries around the globe and say "So explain why not ONE these governments has ripped our achievement to shreds,when every one of them was tracking every move we made?"

Now-whether or not all those governments were in cahoots with the whole 'charade'-I do not believe every single person in every one of those governments-not to mention all the 'amature scientists' in a plethora of different countries who tracked every move-could be kept silent for over 40 years.

After all,landing a machine on the moon is pretty small chips in comparison to what Area 51 is supposed to hold.....

 

Norway obviously :2thumbsup:

 

Where they just say "nuh-uh, these magazine articles say different things, it's all a hoax!!!@!", this is a pretty inescapable fact.

It's easier to go to the fucking moon than to launch shit that PRETENDS to go to the moon, to ALSO launch things that place mirrors on the moon, to ALSO have a hollywood-sized film shot of the whole thing, to ALSO convince the soviets that we went to the moon, to ALSO convince the (legitimate, not these "omgz hoax, popular mechanics didn't add up" guys) scientific community, and all that....... Just go to the fucking moon already, it's easier.

 

Hey there puggybear, how are ya' there? Hope well.

Your post brings up what is for me one of the most misunderstood aspects regarding the Apollo affair.

Apollo was most certainly not a "just for yuks hoax". Most of the time, when the term "hoax" is applied to Apollo, it is done in such a way that more than anything else, an almost sophmorish ruse is implied, a scam effected to fool everyone into thinking the U.S. was more capable than the Ruskies, high tech wise, production wise, smarter, more courageous, more organized. So the mainstream presentation of Apollo as charade goes. We "filmed" the thing in some back lot, Area 51 or what have you, and then presented to the world at large what essentially was an elaborate movie, produced in part in real time with Mission Control itself nothing more than an elaborate set. This mainstream version of the Apollo ruse holds that the U.S. Manned Space Program's true objective was not to land a man on the moon and so show ourselves superior to IVAN, but rather, to pretend to land a few guys on the moon and so demonstrate our superiority. Of course nothing could be further from the truth.

First and foremost of all, those that organized the Apollo fraud would not take the risks that were taken with their payoff only being our winning the hearts, minds and imaginations of this world's citizens. From Anchorage to Rio, to Timbuktu, to Paris, to Schenectady, to Beijing, to Deli, to Vernadsky, the men and women of this planet were fooled, no question, but the motivation for pulling the Mylar over the eyes of the public was NOT to simply convince everyone Capitalism and not Socialism was the way to go, because Capitalism after all parked a lander in the Sea of Tranquility. Petty bragging rights concerns did not motivate the landings, did not motivate the "hoax". Sure it would make sense to dupe the planet's citizens in such a way. Why not hit the public with a moon landing scam job and have the folks of the world buy into this sense of American superiority if you can pull it off? Well, the answer to that question my friends is that it is way too risky an operation for a measly bragging rights payoff.

You don't risk astronomical embarrassment for a "GO U.S.A. WE ARE SMARTER THAN THE ROOSKIES PAYOFF". If a nation is going to risk EVERYTHING by pretending to go to the moon, said risk takers are going to be going after a lot more than simply the opportunity to have a phony ticker tape parade in Manhattan in celebration of a phony landing. The return on the investment for taking the insanely humongous risk of being the laughing stock of the planet were the Americans to be "found out" for running said scam instead of running genuine MANNED cislunar rocket engines had to be immense, and it was. It is for this reason that my friends and I prefer to refer to the Apollo scam as a FRAUD and not as a "hoax". "FRAUD" is a term with a serious connotation, and the Apollo fraud was about a business most serious. The term "hoax" on the other hand implies something petty. The term "hoax", as such, is an inappropriate pejorative. Apollo most certainly was NOT A PETTY HOAX, BUT A FRAUD ON THE GRANDEST OF SCALES. A FRAUD THAT SOUGHT TO AND SUCCEEDED IN DOING MUCH MORE THAN PRETENDING TO LAND SOME GUYS ON THE MOON SO THAT AMERICANS COULD SAY, "FOLKS, WE LANDED ON THE MOON, DID THE RUSKIES DO THAT? 'FRAID NOT, AND THEY AIN'T SQUAT. BETTER OFF SIDING WITH US".

The best way to view Apollo, the best way because it is TRUE, is to acknowledge the entire U.S. Manned Space Program as REAL. APOLLO WAS REAL, NO HOAXING, NOT AT LEAST IN THE CONVENTIONAL SENSE OF THE TERM BEING USED. APOLLO LAUNCHED IMMENSE ROCKETS CARRYING SPACE BOUND PACKAGES THAT FOUND THEIR WAY INTO EARTH ORBIT AND CISLUNAR SPACE. APOLLO LAUNCHED HUGE EQUIPMENT PACKAGES THAT WERE LANDED ON THE MOON AND PROBABLY POSITIONED IN LIBRATION POINTS AS WELL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point

Of the 400,000 Apollo program workers, there were perhaps several hundred that were aware this "manned space program" was after objectives other than those stated. For the sake of example, let's take the Apollo 11 Mission and just one small aspect of it, the LUNAR LASER RETROREFLECTOR(LRRR, piece of equipment which reflected/reflects photons from the moon's surface) as an example. A quick study of this first pretended moon landing and its connection to the LRRR will help the uninitiated to understand Apollo, help the uninitiated get a feel for Apollo's being anything but a "hoax" in the term's conventional sense, help the uninitiated understand Apollo as a FRAUD which employed the smokescreen of phony landings to carry out the most ambitious of space based military objectives.

We all know that the very best way to measure the earth's gravitational field strength in the 1960s was actually by way of measuring the earth-moon distance with great accuracy/precision. That is a point not in dispute, everyone acknowledges that. Prior to the placement in the 1960s of LRRRs on the lunar surface, light was being bounced off the native unmodified moon surface to acquire earth-moon distance/earth gravitational field strength data. This data was vitally important in our programming ICBMs and SLBMs(Submarine launched ballistic missiles). One needs to know how strong the earth pulls on the missiles to be able to aim them. It turns out the earth's gravitational field is not uniform, and knowing how that field strength changes as a missile flies from the north Atlantic to Leningrad is important as well. But for the sake of this discussion, I'll focus on field strength in general. If some are interested, I can share later what my group has learned about more nuanced considerations.

In January 1968, the U.S. unmanned Surveyor 7 flew to the moon and landed. From the surface of the moon the craft took tv photos/images of light being emitted from 2 lasers, one at Table Mountain Observatory in California, and the other at Kitt Peak in Arizona. Here is one of those famous images.



Note the blue-green laser light readily imaged by the Surveyor 7 camera is "BRIGHTER" THAN THE MILLIONS OF WATTS OF LIGHT BEING EMITTED BY THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES DESPITE THE LIGHT OF THESE LASERS BEING BUT A SINGLE WATT IN STRENGTH. The fact the light is monochromatic and so very COHERENT accounts for the visibility. The principal investigator of this Surveyor 7 laser imaging experiment, University of Maryland Astronomer C.O. Alley, wrote that the light of these lasers was brighter than that of the brightest star in the sky, Sirius. As an aside, you'll note that in the above photo, the rest of the sun reflecting earth is overexposed so that the light of the relatively weak lasers can be imaged.


With the great success of Alley's Surveyor 7 laser imaging work, it was quickly realized that if Surveyor could image the laser light, then said light could also be reflected from a precisely identified location on the moon's surface. It followed that the best, most accurate, way to measure the earth moon distance in the 1960s, and thereby determine the earth's gravitational field strength, was by way of reflecting light off an LRRR placed on the moon.

In addition to this LRRR ranging data providing C.O. Alley and colleagues with the most accurate/precise information regarding the moon's ephemeris(behavior as an earth orbiting satellite), it also would provide incredibly accurate/precise data/measurements of the earth's gravitational field strength. If you are going to park a warhead in Khrushchev's bathtub, you need to know how strong the earth's gravitational field is, how that field strength changes from place to place, how the earth spins under a missile flying overhead. LRRR measurements provided all of this and then some in spades.

Are you catching on ? The 1967 Outer Space Treaty to which the US and Russia were both signatories had robustly prohibited the use of space for military purposes, strictly prohibited the weaponization of space, and explicitly prohibited the weaponization of the moon.

How to get around this sort of thing? Well, claim U.S. Manned Space efforts were adventuresome and PEACEFUL. In the context of Apollo 11, we would among other things, land the first LRRR on the moon's surface. This was of course billed as a purely scientific endeavor. And to be sure, LRRR work has marvelous nonmilitary applications. The placement of the Apollo 11 LRRR on the surface of the moon did provide the most remarkable and important lunar ephemeris(satellite behavior) data. Of the 400,000 people that worked on Apollo, designed and built the equipment, sat in the Cape Kennedy Launch Center and Mission Control and launched the Saturn V that carried equipment that indeed found the moon's surface, 99.99% of those patriotic workers were under the impression they were launching first and foremost PEOPLE(Armstrong/Aldrin/Collins). They were under the impression that Armstrong and Aldrin would place the LRRR on the lunar surface there at Tranquility Base. Honest/patriotic Apollo program workers, essentially all of them, were under the impression that said LRRR would function as a "mirror" more or less, reflecting light off the moon. With the photon's flight to the LRRR and back precisely/accurately timed, this would tell us SUPER EXACTLY how far away the moon was, and perhaps also tell us things about Einstein's general theory of relativity/theory of gravitation.

The deeper reality was/is, that the main Apollo objectives were military. Apollo was in no way, no sense, no how a "hoax". By that I mean Apollo was most definitely not simply a just for yuk's petty "we're smarter than the Ruskies" ruse. 400,000 people had worked to build the rockets and the landers that would place that Apollo 11 LRRR right there at Tranquility. This LRRR would be used to provide military people with their ICBM targeting/performance data. The unsuspecting honest scientists like the University of Maryland's C.O. Alley, the principal investigator of the whole LRRR experiment, well he was welcome to his data, his ephemeris calculations, his study of Einsteinian gravity/General Relativity, no reason for him to be in on the know, and as a matter of fact, that is how you make a scam like this GO. Apollo was a real program, real rockets, real equipment, real everything, it is just the objectives were tweaked, known to but just a few.

In the case of the Apollo 11 LRRR, it was landed on the moon by an unmanned craft, just as Surveyor 7 landed without the assistance of a man on board, just as Russian unmanned craft landed on the moon carrying LRRRs, LRRRs which the Russians used to range the moon and so measure the earth's gravitational field strength and so better program their own ICBMs/SLBMs, better target Washington D.C. and New York, target our great cities dirty rotten commie Ruskie style.

You cannot launch 100,000 pounds of equipment into space without someone asking what it is AND WHAT IT IS FOR. So Apollo gave the U.S. the front that allowed fraud operatives to say, "IT"S NOTHING, JUST PEACEFUL MANNED SPACE PROGRAM STUFF". Of course the LRRR was the tip of the spaceberg as we are fond of saying. Apollo 11 was about a lot more than just placing an LRRR on the moon. Apollo and The U.S. Manned Space Program in general sought to put in place space based high performance reconnaissance/surveillance equipment and other equipment that was involved in the development of systems that pushed the American ICBMs/SLBMs to ever higher levels of performance. Apollo/US Manned Space programs provided the cover for our developing our systems to detect Soviet and Chinese missile launches. U.S. Manned Space efforts were a front for our launching space based weapons with the capacity to destroy the space based equipment of our adversaries(Russia, China).

In sum, Apollo is not a "hoax", not a nothing. The Apollo fraudsters were up to something; reconnaissance/surveillance, ICBM targeting/tracking/performance, terrestrial location and so forth. The equipment was REAL, Mission Control was REAL, and so forth. On the other hand, we know men did not land on the moon in the midst of all this hoodwinking nonsense because the official Apollo narrative is riddled with internal inconsistencies and incoherencies, as such, the official Apollo narrative is necessarily untrue.

If Apollo were real, Deke Slayton, the head astronaut administrator, would have remained grounded, as he had been diagnosed with paroxysmal atrial fibrillation, a cardiac arrhythmia condition incompatible with working as an astronaut. One so afflicted could be blindsided at any moment by an incapacitating arrhythmia, and as such, so find in great jeopardy his own life and the lives of his/her crewmates. Atrial fibrillation of the type Slayton was said to have does not resolve as a medical problem of its own accord, even with vitamins, Slayton's own ridiculous claim. There are a million reasons to know Apollo/U.S. Manned Space efforts as fraudulent, the Slayton atrial fibrillation issue is but one. I could literally go on all day, all night, and go on and on with this phony stuff for days.

We'll never know all there is to know about Apollo. The people that perpetrated this fraud were/are reckless beyond belief, that said, we have come a long way with regard to exposing the fraud, with regard to beginning to write an accurate history of U.S. Manned Space Programs, not a pretty picture, and with regard to naming perpetrators based on our ability to catch them in lies. Obama knows all of this, and it is the hope of my group that Obama will be the first president to come to his senses and end the nonsense.

 

sigh...

 

I thought you're all physicists.

Surely you understand the problems with putting self-sufficient set-n-forget missiles on the moon, in the 60s..... lets say you're right: there'd be guys to set them up, when you're sending an ICBM launch complex to the moon, why not throw a few guys in the rocket with it?

Also, your copypasta is showing.

 

Sorry but I don't quite get your point NoxiousGas. I presume the post's sentiment/tone bugs you, which of course is fine. Despite Stillcrazy's concerns, I really don't get worked up over this stuff. For me, the truth of Apollo's fraudulence is beyond the smallest of questions. I graduated from medical school in 1984, and was a strong performer in school, as an intern, as a resident, as a clinical attending, and as an instructor at many levels. I know infectious diarrhea, Meniere's disease, atrial fibrillation, rubella, and the other Apollo Fraud relevant illnesses like the back of my hand. Apollo is way FAKE, no question. If you have friends that are docs, ask them to have a look at Patrick's work on some of the other web sites/threads;

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread838299/pg1

http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php/117482-Charles-Berry-was-in-on-the-Apollo-Fraud

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread836777/pg4

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread850806/pg1

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=216531

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread837129/pg1

http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=3203

http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theories&thread=3203&page=9#92052

http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theories&thread=3203&page=9#92052

Not that Patrick's word is gospel, but I agree with my colleague on this stuff. No need for me to engage in major reiteration activity here and go over it all again. I'd like to, and indeed will, move ahead and leave the issue of fraud per se. Pretty hard for a reasonably thoughtful doc to see Apollo as genuine given Shepard's miraculous hearing loss fix and so forth.

Hopefully, within the next day or two or three, I'll present my own version of an Apollo Fraud Perpetrator list. As the new designated scribe of our group, I'd like to do a little post on each of the PERPS and present their role, and in presenting that role, show why it is that we know each of them to be involved as an Apollo Fraud Insider, as a contributor to the Apollo Fraud rip off the dumb schmuck taxpayer activities . Any list will of course be incomplete. We are always adding names/personalities to our list, and indeed, we make mistakes, indicting a flight officer or whomever from time to time, and then having to make a retraction when we are disabused for one reason or the other of the notion of said alleged PERP's culpability. But that is unusual of course. those that have followed my group's progress are well aware at how on target we are, nailing PERPs and making one discovery after the next with quotidian regularity. It's been a long time since the last good PERP list was presented on the net. The science and art of Apollo Fraud PERP identification has advanced considerably since my group's last presentation of what was then, and now no longer, a current list.

So look for me NoxiousGas to be presenting a new and with respect to previous efforts, very complete PERP list here. I'd also like to explore the political and cultural meaning and ramifications of the simple fact that the Apollo Ruse has been perpetuated for so long. Why press on with this nonsense when it is so harmful to the culture, the world culture, not only American culture?

 

Ok. I accept you're convinced you're right. You point-blank refuse to accept anything simple happened and a huge 'fraud' took place instead. [yes,I said 'hoax'-ok,sue me-I didn't say I have a doctorate in this,my 2nd language;and you KNEW what I meant. So you've already proved yourself pedantic and picky. How fluent are you in Sicilian?]

However-why are you posting all this on a HIPPY FORUM?

'HIPPY'...not 'SCIENCE'?


Why are you spending hours typing on a HIPPY forum,when you'd surely utilise your time and evidence to better effect on an astronomy/science or government forum??

 

Well, you keep posting the same junk and links over and over, either spamming or at least beating a dead horse, and it's starting to stink...bad. The point you don't get because your so obsessed is that NO ONE REALLY GIVES A CRAP!!!

now statements and language such as this

makes this;

a little hard to swallow, but I guess your just way educated, right?


like I said earlier, your just another loony in search of an audience.

 

Oi,Noxious-piss off and get your OWN 8-Ball!

That one's mine-it's the very one my mate Buzz played pool on the Moon with!

 

The vikings never went to America, and neither did Columbus. The USA hoaxed evidence of both so that the natives would lose their prior claim of arriving via Siberia thousands of years ago.
Oh, and Disney is the centre of the universe!

Who gives a flying one, really?

 

LOL! Of course, knowing all about diarrhea would qualify you as a rocket scientist. What was I thinking?

 

i liked this thread when there were space NAZI's on mars.

 

I have a weakness for the vikings on the moon myself.

 

I'm guessing the Aryan Space Brotherhood wholeheartedly agree's

They regularly pray to a deity named Thule who lives on mars and who they believe is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. Through him all things are possible as he imparts small bits of wisdom and knowledge telepathically to their high-priest. Although he’s only alive in spiritual form they believe he still oversees dozens of Jewish concentration camps on mars

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