Apologies in Advance

At 41 now, If I start talking about when I was 18 there were a few guys in that age range, 50 and 60s. No matter what I say its just going to end up sounding like I have some secret agenda trying to convince 18 yr olds they should hookup with older guys, even though its not my thing, and now being older and seeing it from the other side, it does look pretty freaky. Get a guy around 18 thats making puppy dog eyes at you, all males are awkward at that age, havent filled out properly, all disproportionate. See that now and its like Jeezus, is that how I was looking at guys back then. And it does make you wonder about those older guys when you were 18, well why would they go for some unco teen and and not some muscly MAN.


After saying that though, that Fountain of youth gene is / was really hot. Remembering back to one in particular, I wont say how old I was but I was younger than 18, he was in his 60s and still smoking hot, I mean smoking. At a time I was fapping ten times a day, and it just would NOT stay down. The sex was friggin unbelievable, not that it even really exactly qualified as 'sex' never got past oral. And he REALLY knew what he was doing. So remebering back to those times, everyone talking about choice, Sounds ridiculous, the little general was totally in charge and I would have passed out from the horny if I didnt get what I want, i was the chaser. But most will still assume, a lot of gay people included, if they see that from the outside its the older one that is the chaser.

However there is nothing to say in this case its not the totally opposite thing, its not just girls but anything to do with sex is icky, Jamie is hanging out with this guy cos he's really sweet, theres no sex, just sweet kisses and giggles, the older one getting off on reliving his youth by jumping around in nightclubs with him. I've seen that before and 18 year old males with little or no sex drive or asexual, whilst rare, do exist.

So on a case by case basis, It can sound retarded, everyone making out the older one is a pervert, especially retarded if its not sexual. But in terms of the big picture I kind of agree with calgirl, you dont want it to lead to every 65 yr old thinking they can hit on any 18 yr old and does kind of need to be kept under wraps for that reason.

In terms of that big picture, the double standards dont kind of exist, Jennifer Lopez with her little gay toyboy at the moment its like holy crap you dont want to encourage the cougars to start acting like that, and you have go on pretending with everyone else it is what it isnt

 

There is nothing wrong with an age gap as long as it is between two consenting adults. The way some people behave in the situation of an eighteen year old being with a sixty year old implies two things. One, that they believe the age of consent should be increased. Secondly, that they are projecting their own disgust with not wanting to be with someone much older or much younger onto the love and happiness of others who legally have the right to be together.

 

Any idiot that thinks 18 is adult has not yet become adult. Maybe the law says so, but the mind and emotions don't. The amount of growth and change through age 28 is astounding. I really wish people would not argue that point. Just like 12 y/o girls ovulate and can have babies, it lunacy to consider a kid that age can be a parent.

 

i actually had a similar phase when i was about 16. i wasn't exclusively attracted to older guys, i liked guys my own age too, but there were a couple of guys old enough to be my father that i did get silly about. it didn't work out and back then i couldn't for the life of me figure out why. but now when i look back at it, it's so obvious how silly and naive i really was about the whole thing then. now, when i look at the 16-19 y/olds who try to hook up with me, i understand. it's an age-acquired knowledge that the young people just don't have.

looking any old guy who exclusively chases after young men/women is a pretty pathetic picture. however, it's a free world. we are not nazis here. and most older guys do go for partners their own age, so it's not like there would be a storm for the youth were the public perception on this issue to change overnight. saying they have the right to be with each other is hardly encouraging every old guy out there to go and find himself a young lover fresh out of high school. they are two consenting adults. if the reasons they hook up are for one to feel young again and for the other to exploit the benefits of a mature partner then, i agree, those are all the wrong reasons, but they have the right to make that mistake, if that's what it is. people who hook up with people their own age sometimes do it for completely idiotic reasons. what are you gonna do? start censoring everyone's private life?

calgirl better hope that one day when she's 60 or more she doesn't go all batshit for some young guy (or girl). that would look really stupid.

 

Relax....my ass. You don't even have the ability to read my words, because you've decided IN ADVANCE that I'm anti-gay. It's you that is all fired up. You think you know me, you don't. Not even close.....no idea about my past nor experiences. You're just one of those young punks that thinks being an advocate means turning a blind eye to realities. Bullshit, that it's just me that the age range and public display is a problem. It made the fucking paper! You make the claim that it's only me that thinks it while everyone else accepts it. That's because you're too weak and stupid and scared to be wrong.

 

Believe me, I think I can restrain myself.

 

Just because it took a long time for you to mature does not mean that the same is for everyone. There are teenagers who are more mature and more adult in their actions, behaviors, and mentality than thirty year old individuals. People are not universally akin to wine. We do not all mature with age. Also, we cannot all fit the same mold.

However, the legal age of consent and recognized age of consent is eighteen. You can disagree with that all you like, but until you can formulate a valid reason beyond your obvious disdain for what appears to be nothing more than a ridiculous disgust for age gap projection, then I suggest you actually learn that not all the people in the world are under control of a dictator who demands we all live according to her skewed worldview.

 

That's a lot of garblely gook. You've predetermined to defend any behavior with any rationalization you can come up with. People such as you think you making the world a more tolerant place. In actuality, what is happening instead is that none of us have an expectations of each other anymore. Soon you'll have us accepting mass murder. Hurrah.

 

Please, continue with the illogical line of thinking. It is helping you ever so much.

 

WTG for hatcheting up my last post. Hope that censoring gets you somewhere.

 

Thank you.

 

Yes, and the answer would be no. Not because the young eighteen year old mind is fragile or susceptible, but because old flesh is icky. After all, older adult minds are just as susceptible to the supposed virus known as love and that is why even most adults cannot create strong, compatible, long-lasting, non-platonic relationships with others.

 

it might seem contradictory. but i don't judge other people according to what my experience in life has been. yes i liked a couple of older guys when i was a teenager, and yes now that i've matured more i think age gap relationships are mostly damn weird. that doesn't mean every age gap relationship is that. my point has already been stated on this thread somewhere. i have never met these two guys, i haven't seen how they interact with each other and how their relationship is. therefore i have no basis to say what they do is wrong or something that should be prohibited. my reason arguing for their right to be together is simple -- we are not them. we don't know what they are feeling or going through. how can we say what they do is wrong just based on our objective opinion on age gap relationships? we can't.

do you know why 18 (more precisely it's actually 15-20, depending on jurisdiction) is considered legal age of consent? because by that time we have matured sexually (actually it's a little more complicated than that but i won't go into it in here cause it's not relevant to this thread). and what is this topic here about? mostly about a relationship that can have sexual connotations. now you could argue that 18-year-olds are still fucking morons when it comes to life and relationships, and i would mostly agree. but they are people who will have sex no matter what anyone tells them, and they have the right to have sex. and if they do it with another person within the age of consent it's no-one else's business but theirs. it is as simple as that. we are not prohibiting sex based on a person's lack of experience in relationships. and an 18-year-old's mental state, while still not as mature as a 30 y/old's is mature enough to allow him to make decisions regarding his life on his own. that's it.

i agree on that one.

i think it's weird too. i just don't think my opinion on it should be legally binding to them.

 

Oh give me a fucking break!!!

 

I think this just about sums it all up. Laws should not be created against things just because certain individuals personally find them "icky" or "weird". There are lot of preferences and behaviours when it comes to sex related stuff that I find far more icky and personally distasteful than an 18/19 year old with someone over 60. But I'd never call for those things to be outlawed just because I have a personal aversion to them. Unless it involves children, rape, or animals, then anything sexual and/or romantic that consenting adults choose to engage in should not be criminalised.

And yes, equating acceptance of big-age gaps in relationships between adults with acceptance of mass murder is completely absurd.

 

you'll have to look past that though. her mind has still not reached the state of maturity the rest of ours have.

 

As for the maturity and with age comes wisdom thing, thats such a crock.

All most people do is bitch and whine all the time and blame anything thats gone wrong in their lives on someone, something else. And alienate people because of it. Bored, lazy, grumpy and smell funny

 

It was sarcasm. Guess that went over your head.

 

My mother blames me for everything, and has done for many years now. She'll blame me for her own mistakes, and other people's mistakes, because she's ashamed of me and sees me as a disappointment, so I'm a conveniant scapegoat for everything that's wrong in her life. Her selective memory is infuriating and annoying. When I was a child and in contact with other family members, I was much better behaved than all the other children in my family, yet I was treated much harsher than the others just because I was "different", rather than bad. Taking the blame for others' failings has been par for the course for me all my life.

 

Some people just should not be parents. Just because they are capable of reproducing does not mean that they should. I am sorry that your mother mistreated you, Soul. I can sympathize with what you have gone through, for I went through the same thing with my alcoholic father.