Are All You Heathens Happy Now that Terry Shiavo Is Dead?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by ChiefCowpie, Mar 31, 2005.

  1. ChiefCowpie

    ChiefCowpie hugs and bugs

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    You say the dumb ass stupidest things. Her brain was jello. Does jello feel pain?
     
  2. mystical_shroom

    mystical_shroom acerbic

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    wow that was, uh, okay...

    I think she felt pain, sorry but thats my opinion...
     
  3. missfontella

    missfontella Mama of Da Assassins

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    I'm disgusted with this country today

    we are a sad selfish pathetic country
     
  4. Myranya

    Myranya Slytherin Girl

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    I can't be 100% sure, but I think that our soul is connected to our consciousness... and while it's also hard to say for sure from the many conflicting reports, I am most inclined to believe the reports from her husband. Which means Terri died 15 years ago. Her body kept going since the brainstem was still working, but she wasn't in there anymore. I really hope that's indeed correct, too, because it'd be pretty horrible to be caught inside a body, not being able to communicate, not being able to do anything, for fifteen years.
     
  5. TheGanjaKing

    TheGanjaKing Newbie

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    At least maybe there will be some actual "news" on the news now. This was nothing but bullshit.
     
  6. Moon Water

    Moon Water Rena

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    yah know you all havent left anything for me to say...
    it was sad she was starved im sure she could feel. It im sure that god wouldnt be angery that they took her out of that pain. She probally wasent all the way there but she could feel it. The more i hear what the church says the more and more i think what they say is BS. It was a sad story but REALLY they talked more about her than they have about this 8 earthquake. WTF is going on over there?
     
  7. peacefuljeffrey

    peacefuljeffrey Senior Member

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    Is that the kind of all-loving, all-forgiving god you believe in?

    I say, FUCK that kind of god. :mad: No sense in making my life full of fear and anxiety and kowtowing and uncertainty by believing in something so disgusting.


    Terry Schiavo is at peace. That's more than we can say for the rest of the world. Why on earth her "devout Christian" parents wanted soooo desperately to stand between her and HEAVEN is one of those laughable things we all observe about religious people. Someone explain to me what the hell was so bad about letting her go on to her eternal rest. I say it was about the hubris of the parents, their self-absorption that prevented them from letting her go because THEY were desperate to keep her here. SHE was in no great desire to stay here on earth. THEY KEPT her going because THEY were selfish and would not let her die peacefully.

    And I ask you, how do you claim that "we" are responsible for what went on with her, when we had absolutely zero to do with the actions and decisions taken? Just because a person agrees with what is going on does not make them legally, criminally, or morally culpable for it.

    If you drive a car, and you also occasionally drink alcohol, are you responsible when someone ELSE gets shitfaced and drives and kills someone because of it? Do all car drivers bear the burden of guilt for drunk driving fatalities, even if they themselves never drive drunk even once?

    -Jeffrey
     
  8. peacefuljeffrey

    peacefuljeffrey Senior Member

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    The people of the world are wreaking enough havoc on themselves. Even if God did exist, we would not need him to help us out in that department. :rolleyes:

    Come to think of it, much of the havoc being wrought is BECAUSE people believe in God!! :mad:

    -Jeffrey
     
  9. peacefuljeffrey

    peacefuljeffrey Senior Member

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    Another thing that's fucked up...
    You had these assholes sending their CHILDREN to her door to try to sneak in with water to give her.

    That's child abuse. Child exploitation. If you believe she needs a drink of water, YOU bring it to her, Fucko, don't pussy-out and send your fucking kid, so now your kid will forever have an arrest record!

    People are such selfish, unthinking shits.

    Even IF your kid says, "Mommy, Daddy, I want to go help that poor thirsty woman," you don't say, "Okay, kiddo, let's bring you to her house and you can at least try to get her some water."

    No, you say, "I'm sorry kid, that's the way it goes sometimes, and we have to live our lives and let others live theirs and make the decisions that govern their own lives."

    We tell kids that they are not entitled to make decisions like whether they can terminate an unwanted pregnancy without their parents' consent; they don't have a presumption of privacy OR of freed speech in their schools... We even absolve them of MURDER. Why? Because they're not old enough to have the judgment to make such decisions.

    So how the fuck can anyone defend letting a 10-year-old bring water to Terri Schiavo and get arrested for trespassing, and claim that it was right to let that kid make a decision that would get him arrested? :mad:

    -Jeffrey
     
  10. peacefuljeffrey

    peacefuljeffrey Senior Member

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    I agree with you.

    Horrible is too mild a word for it. I would say "horrifyingly nightmarish."

    Think of people like Christopher Reeve, who could at least communicate! If you were stuck inside an immobile body, hearing and knowing what was said around you, just imagine having to sit there unable to do anything while people around you discussed what to do with you! :eek:

    -Jeffrey
     
  11. dhs

    dhs Senior Member

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    I just wish that euthanizing a human being (outside of capitol punishment that is, which I am against too) was an acceptable thing in this society. I can't state whether or not I am in favor of her husband's wishes or that of her parents - I am far to removed from them to have an honest understanding of the situation.

    I will say that I found the means in which she died to be completely inhumane and barbaric. In my opinion she should have been given food and water until the ultimate decision was made. At that point she should have been 'put to sleep'
     
  12. peacefuljeffrey

    peacefuljeffrey Senior Member

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    People are terrified of legalizing euthanasia because they see it as a "slippery slope" to FORCING certain people to be euthanized: the elderly, the retarded, the infirm, the handicapped... It could come to pass that society would put all manner of pressure on the family of, say, a paralyzed invalid or a mentally retarded child to euthanize him or her so that it's not a "drain on society." (Usually all they have in mind in such a case is MONEY. What it COSTS to keep the person alive.)

    Funny, though, people argue about a slippery slope for something like that, as though overnight we'd somehow find it palatable to kill our most vulnerable people, but they dismiss the "slippery slope" argument when gun owners use it to fight against banning certain "types" of guns... :rolleyes:

    It's either a valid concern or it's not. But it can't be valid in one area and not valid in another.

    -Jeffrey
     
  13. NatureFreak412

    NatureFreak412 Art of Balance

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    There is a Metallica song called one about a dude that got his arms and legs blown off, is blind, and deaf, and its weird as hell. I think its One, the video is creepy too.
     
  14. Colours

    Colours Senior Member

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    but he can still talk
     
  15. dhs

    dhs Senior Member

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    See that's just it. When someone is on Death Row, they are given proper nurishment right up until the very end. Someone on Death Row isn't allowed to speak for themself, the decision of concerning their life is made by someone else and they are treated humanely until that decision is finalized by putting them to death.

    Terry Shaivo couldn't speak for herself and yet somehow the courts found it appropriate to let her rot to death.

    It makes no f'n sense to me. Someone who is being put to death for crimes against humanity is kept alive humanely until the very end. Yet, someone who has done nothing wrong and can't speak for themselves is forced to starve to death.

    No doctor in this world can with 100% certainty guarantee that Terri wasn't suffering during her final days.
     
  16. lynsey

    lynsey Banned

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    this is the same theory that claims trying for double murders will lead to outlawing abortion. you would have to be a complete imbisul to beliuve that not starving someone toi death and instead administering an overdose of morophine will lead to killing all those who have developmental disabilities. humanity should not be seen as an opening for immora;ity. admini
     
  17. lynsey

    lynsey Banned

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    exactlt what i would say if i had two hands...and uhm your mind heh love you
     
  18. Colours

    Colours Senior Member

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    isnt pulling the tube preventing her from laying in bed, rotting to death?
     
  19. nitemarehippygirl

    nitemarehippygirl Senior Member

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    i agree completely... when i heard that story, i was totally disgusted. that kid's parents, or whomever put clearly him up to it, should be cuffed. i can't imagine how some parents think it's all right to stick their kid in harm's way just to make a point.

    i am glad to know that she has been allowed out of her misery, and it was quite clearly misery.. nightmarish, as someone put it before. it is disappointing that her death had to take 13 day through starvation; i absolutely think that a faster form of euthanasia should have been introduced once it was decided that she should be removed of her feeding tube, whether or not she could feel pain. our science should be beyond slow death by now.


    peace,
    sophia
     
  20. nitemarehippygirl

    nitemarehippygirl Senior Member

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    i don't know where you get your information from, but there have actually been scans taken of terry's brain, showing that she's missing all, or nearly all of her cerebral cortex, which is the pain center. someone posted something about this already, i believe. although she can still move, i find it extremely doubtful that anyone in such an atrophied condition could still feel pain.

    peace,
    sophia
     
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