Are Americans Racist?

It seems, Nerd, you are asked repeatedly what exactly your point is. So let's ask again: what is the real significance of concluding africans/black people have not contributed to any advancement of any kind (which seems rubbish anyway)?

 

1. No, indeed much more similar to an alien race would be the caucasoid and mongoloid people, the leftover survivors of the last glacial period. Those are the people who are the most dramatically different from any other species that has ever existed as far as we know. The sub saharan africans are much more... natural. Much less technological and sociological progress. Much more like the other carnivores and omnivores that have existed on this planet. Much more like our common ancestor that gave rise to bonobos, chimps, gorillas and orangutans. Only a few small communities have possessed the cognitive faculties to use reason and philosophy. There's a requisite amount of brain power needed to see the benefit of applying objectivity to the world. This is where reason, science, logic and morality intersect. SS Africans and native Australians have been unnaffected by evolutionary bottlenecks for thousands upon thousands of years. They were isolated in a warm climate and selected for strength and speed. Think about a society whereby thousands upon thousands of generations only prized big butts and big lips and low body fat and ability to run and jump well. Now what do we see when we look around at racial differences? Evolution is a painfully slow process without bottlenecks. Even under the most ideal circumstances where the smartest black people were having giant, mexican sized families. Ten or twelve kids per black genius and no kids per high school dropout it would be centuries before we saw some meaningful narrowing of the intellectual gap. The bitch of it is, though, they're not even heading north, they're heading south. IQ and family size have an inverse relationship. The same is true of educational advancement.

2. Dark friends shouldn't rob light friends at 9x the rate light friends rob dark friends then. Less qualified dark friends shouldn't get scholarships and jobs over significantly better qualified light friends.

3. He sounds like a great guy and I'm speaking macroscopically. You tend to pick out anecdotal examples and act as if I despise the best representatives of black people. Classic strawmanning on your part. Black people are 13% of the population yet commit 55% of the violent crime which is the real story but yeah, I acknowledge your tangent that there are skilled black machinists, and good, honest ones at that. It's nice to know that even though we're charging in the wrong direction there are still exceptions out there.

 

T'was in response to this sheeplike reply: The wambulance arrived complaining of slavery. If white people had been drug out of their country as slaves and then been treated like 2nd class citizens throughout most of their history, who's to say we wouldn't be just as jaded and violent?

It really is an amazing argument. Anyone in the US whose ancestor was brought over from Africa is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better off than 99.99% of the people on that continent. Do you really wish it didn't happen? The problem apparently is not their true standard of living but their comparitive standard of living. People in Africa are jealous as FUCK of African Americans.

AND

How lucky that they arrived in America and not the Middle East where they were exceedingly likely to be worked to death within the first few years of their arrival. There was a massive slave business in the Ottoman empire, making the Americas' enterprise look like a joke and yet... no black people in that part of the world left to tell the tale. How curious. Despite what you've seen in the Zionist controlled mass media depicting the masses of evil white people, I imagine if one could get in a time machine and visit the two areas between 1500 and 1900 the differences would be roughly as stark as they are today.

 

Racists always forget that every group has a bells-shaped distribution curve of IQ scores, ranging all the way from mental vegetable to genius. Average scores will vary from one group to another.

 

Yes, like this https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/sw3jig.jpg

Guess what, shit's going to get much worse as we try to merge technological unemployment and the free markets. Manual labor is on the way out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

Dysgenics has replaced technological unemployment as what I see as our number one priority. We will very likely move to very socialist policies in response to superefficient robots, living wage etc. and have literally no incentive for self improvement because rewarding intelligence or reasoning ability will be deemed racist and or elitist.

 

So there is no real significance about that conclusion?

And you are aware that many slaves that were transported to America did die in the first year(s) of their arrival right? The afro americans that live in the US now may be envied by some africans, but they were never brought there as slaves in the first place. A lot of them weren't really a lot better off by being transported on a wooden ship to the US instead of being a slave in the ottoman empire. You make kind of an absurd argument on itself if you ask me.

 

There is no difference in species there bright white guy. All homo sapiens sapiens.

"The genotype–phenotype distinction is drawn in genetics. "Genotype" is an organism's full hereditary information. "Phenotype" is an organism's actual observed properties, such as morphology, development, or behavior. This distinction is fundamental in the study of inheritance of traits and their evolution.
Even two organisms with identical genotypes normally differ in their phenotypes. One experiences this in everyday life with monozygous (i.e. identical) twins. Identical twins share the same genotype, since their genomes are identical; but they never have the same phenotype, although their phenotypes may be very similar."

 

The point being western europeans have been the cutting edge of technological and social progress for at least the past 5 centuries. Going back to OP's question, western europeans are probably the least racist people in the world. Almost every western european bends over backwards to avoid acknowledging any kind of inherent intellectual advantage. They ignore statistics and trends to embrace the good examples and throw all their focus into embracing an egalitarian mindset.

Chinese people know all about racial differences and discriminate based on genetic differences. Russian people know. Jews know. South Americans know. EVEN black people know. Successful black people move the fuck away from typical African Americans. They live in nice neighborhoods and they have even fewer kids than their successful white counterparts because they're able to assimilate the data and deep down in their heart they know regression to the mean is real and they're fighting an uphill battle against the people who rocketed ahead due to evolutionary bottlenecks as a result of the last glacial period. They know their skulls are shaped slightly differently and they have less brain matter to work with and they have more twins and hit puberty faster and are more (r-selected).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

 

Nerd

But I think we have established that you have only really known seven black people in your life - a girl you knew before you were 10 - a couple of girls you had a date with in school - and four guys three of which were/are petty thieves that you smoked weed and played video games with?

And that also you have never worked alongside black people as colleagues or had one as a boss?

You said that the girls were all intellectually on a par with you and the only thing you said about the guys was that they didn’t want to talk about the same things as you, and that you are still friends with them (even knowing they are petty criminals) although, could you answer the question I asked before – have you told them that you think black people as a group are inferior to whiter groups?

 

Balbus I will eventully teach you not to rely solely on anecdotal evidence. We will get there my friend, statistics are a real thing and should be the primary impetus for refining social policy.

Quick question for any interested in answering, does everyone here agree that East Asians are slightly more K selected than white people and Africans are slightly more r selected than white people? Can anyone here wrap their minds around the theory? I tend to overestimate people's intellectual prowess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

 

Nerd, it seems you are awfully generalizing all the time to insist your point of which it seems there is no solid proof at all (statistics are not to be blindly trusted, they are only indications) is true. But when we ask you what is the significance you come up with talk about we western people are too much into positive discrimination

So we are MAYBE giving other races or especially the black race (according to you) too much a benefit of the doubt and you are accusing us in general of going out of our way to do that. But you are doing exactly the same from your opposite stance, mate. You insist stuff is true based on skull size etc. etc. but it is not that absolute.
I think you just like to talk about so called taboo topics and poke around and then confront others with hey you don't like people talking about these possbilities. No, we don't like you insisting they are true. And I also don't like when we ask you what is the real significance of this that you seem to conclude we should embrace these racial differences in some way, although you are smart and never like to point out exactly what is the real significance of your ramblings. Probably because the main significance of you posting here is that you like to poke in taboo topics and confront us with our apparently dubious outlooks on race. How dare we to give blacks the benefit of the doubt right!

 

The thing is your statistical analyses relies on false, contrived, and unexamined assumptions.

The primary emphasis for refining social policy would be to recognize that all civility is precisely equal to your relationship with the person standing next to you. We are not made of statistics.

 

What do we need social policing for?

 

The next time a Mike Brown happens or a Trayvon Martin happens or a Tawana Brawley happens or a Crystal Mangum happens or an OJ Simpson happens we will once again see a false narrative of white oppression coalesce and the vast majority of people will blindly buy into it. As white people and asian people become smaller and smaller minorities, schools will degrade, infrastructure will erode, and we will look more and more like Africa. The insistant ignorance of the mob concerning these matters is something I'd like to push back against, but I'm mostly just here to polish my verbal jousting skills and refine my arguments. You guys are helping with that, so I thank you.

I'm a truther through and through. I don't compromise in that regard.

We should give black individuals the benefit of the doubt to some pragmatic degree, but we will give the black mob the benefit of the doubt all the way to the bank. The bank of Africa.

Would anyone be kind enough to give some input on the
r - Black - White - Asian - K spectrum?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

 

You make too much assumptions and say too often probably (which definitely should be included) and make so called certain conclusions out of it to be a truther through and through to me. It's all based on assumptions and subjective probabilities.

 

Sure it was popular in the 70's and 80's but lost importance in the nineties as the result of several empirical studies.

 

Nerd

This isn’t about anecdotal evidence it’s about empirical evidence gained through experience, and we have been through the whole statistical thing before.

So you’ve known seven black people in your life and none of them seem to have been intellectually inferior to yourself.

I’ve known a hell of a lot more black people than that I have not observed [empirical evidence] this supposed intellectual inferiority.

It doesn’t seem to make sense in this context - as I remember the r/k theory is applied in relation to differing species, and as noted the number of children in human societies is more often due to socio-economic factors and concerns rather than differing biology traits.

 

tellin' ya nerd, Nazi face tattoos will save you a lot of explaining.

 

I'm not looking for a narrowing of the intellectual gap; I'm looking for a narrowing of the emotional gap. Everything runs secondary to building trust, which you build by being respectful. Where there is no trust, the intellect is in bondage, and there is little to no trust between blacks and whites in the USA. You want black people to use their brains, but a confident black man is a potential homicide victim in this country. A black man is not allowed to just be a decent, ordinary man. He's got whites telling him he ought to be a rocket scientist if he's any good and blacks telling him he ought to hate whitey if he's any good. He's got so much bullshit to deal with, how in the hell is he supposed to use his brain? For that matter, how are any of us supposed to really use our brains? We've got a lot to go through before we're going to achieved streamlined intellectual prowess. I don't think it's a "black and white issue" so to speak.

Well I wouldn't call whites and blacks "friends" at all at this juncture. There's too much hurt involved, which is only made worse by laws that pretend we are all just friends and there is no animosity. It makes it seem like we should all just wake up from this bullshit that goes on and just be smiling, happy people who can get good jobs and do our best if we want to. We're really being pussies and avoiding the problem. Maybe there ought to be televised townhall meetings between blacks and whites to sort out our issues.

You're being too dramatic. We're not really charging anywhere. We don't even know what we're doing because we're too scared of seeming vulnerable and discussing what we're really all about. I think deep down most of us would like a mixed society where criminals are the minority, though. I just don't think the baby should be thrown out with the bath water. It's a mistake to think that black people have nothing to offer. I think if black man and white man can attain harmony, the white man will find out what a great gift his brother is.