Are any of you not vegetarians?

I can respect that.

If you're active enough, you can eat almost anything, provided you eat enough and get enough nutrients. Over twenty years of martial arts experience and I'm living proof. My rant was more about respecting other people's dietary choices than anything, and certainly if you look hard enough you can find "evidence" to promote or discourage just about any diet.

As for the vegetarian argument, we are by nature omnivores, as is evident by our close genetic relationship with primates, and our eye teeth. I can't imagine we weren't made to eat meat with teeth that can tear flesh.

Of course, our ability to digest meat various from one individual to the next. Some people lack the necessary enzymes. My question then is whether one's ability to digest meat is an acquired trait as your body gets used to it, or is it genetic? I suspect a little of both.

 

The point is that beef isn't the optimal choice because of its unhealthy aspects. Someone who gets their nutrients from completely healthy sources is going to be much healthier than someone who eats beef, assuming they get the same amount of exercise. Beef a couple of times a week isn't going kill you any time soon, but people who are nutters in the head like me and are trying to live to be 150 and be healthy the whole time tend to stay away from beef.

And the bigger point is that's it's perfectly all right to eat beef. Just don't go pretending that it's a healthy choice.

 

Well you veggie people always were weird. I don't care that it isn't super good for me, it still gives me life and tastes sooo good. The only meat better(that I've tried) is moose.

THATS RIGHT VEGGIE HEADS... I WANT TO EAT A MOOSE!

I don't mean to offend but I'm tired and hungry and if you haven't tried moose burgers or moose loaf or moose and creamy noodles you have no idea what your missing.

 

Never had moose, gotta try it sometime.

The best I've had was elk. A steak a little bigger than a silver dollar and an inch thick was all I could eat, basically a solid hunk of protein.

I've agreed all along beef isn't the healthiest choice. Then again I don't always eat what's good for me, which doesn't seem to make a difference, I've got a metabolism like a humming bird.

 

That's a narrow view of health. Too many people like to reduce the topic of health to "am I fat?". If they're not fat they can be happy and believe that there's absolutely nothing wrong with them physiologically. I like to look at health as the maintinence of the internal components of a person. Why do old people have health issues and die? Because over the course of their lives their bodies break down, and the food they eat has a huge impact on the speed and severity of the breakdown. Beef is especially bad because it's highly inflammatory and acid-forming. It takes a long time to digest, contains many harmful substances that stress the liver and has a lot of saturated fat, which takes a toll on a person's body even if it doesn't manifest itself as body fat.

If someone who eats a steak every day replaces that steak with a healthy alternative, they will live longer and have less chronic disease in their old age.

That being said it's hardly cyanide. I'll eat the occasional steak or burger just for a change from fish and poultry.

 

First off that person is one rich sob to eat steak everyday. But that person who eats steak had thousands of mmm mmm good steak while you had a "healthy alternative".

 

And I would have better health, vitality, longevity, etc. A more than fair trade. I don't even prefer steak to seafood or chicken and there are tons of non-animal dishes that I like better than beef so what's your point? If your life would be any worse without beef, I consider that sad. Some of us have more to live for than shoveling shit into our faces.

 

Wow you sure are an opinionated son of a bitch aren't you?

You are on a high horse because I eat meat and you think your hot shit since you prefer veg dishes? Fucking moronic man.

 

"First off that person is one rich sob to eat steak everyday. But that person who eats steak had thousands of mmm mmm good steak while you had a "healthy alternative"."

My my what a short memory.


I'm merely trying to educate people on facts. I'm not saying it's wrong to eat beef. I'm saying that it's unhealthy and not in the interest of people who care about their health.

 

I don't know, seems pretty biased to me. Maybe its just my primeval love of meat but I just can't not like it. Its full of protein and just so damn good.

 

If you like to eat it and don't care about its unhealthy aspects then go for it. If you ever become an obsessive health nut and ever come to understand how unhealthy it is you may decide to cut down on it. If you don't then we've established that you care more about momentary sensory stimulation than vitality and longevity (although one can easily change one's palate to stop craving meat) , and that would be your personal choice.

Just stop with this whole "beef has protein, beef has iron" nonsense. I'm tired of this fallacy of composition. That there are nutritional aspects to beef doesn't make beef as a whole healthy. Protein and iron can come from many other sources and nobody who was truly interested in health would use such a terrible rationalization for eating meat.

 

Absolutely. People usually only change their diet when they're old and crippled, not in forethought of living a healthy happy life.

Meat honestly doesn't taste that good. It's more the seasonings along with the texture of meat. You ever eat plain steak? Doesn't taste too good. But fruit and veggies taste damn good without seasonings.

I just had mahi-mahi fillet and steak for dinner. It is unbelievably mild!! Almost like chicken. And spicy Korean baby octopus. Delicious......

 

i used to be a veggie until i lost 10kg in like 1 month...this scared me as i am a light-weight, and so i am back inot eating meat but only maby 1-2 times a wekk as too much meat is bad for me...

 

Maybe you should have eaten more food. A vegan diet requires as many calories as one with meat. The difference is that you're going to have to replace the meat you usually eat with high-protein vegetables like legumes and some grains or else you'll lose weight.

Like this http://www.veganfoodpyramid.com/vegan-pyramid-1024x768.jpg

More or less.

And losing all that weight on a purely vegan diet but not losing weight with the same diet but meat only once or twice a week makes no sense at all. That's like an extra 1000 calories per week. 4000 calories per month. That's negligible.

 

i was not on a vegan diet, i was not even on a diet

i drank milk, ate butter, eggs e.g i just did not eat meat...plus i don't eat much anywase as there is something wrong with my digestive system which requires me NOT too eat much as it causes problems with my stomache.

i don't alwase at meat 1-2 times a week, some times i eat meat all 7 days of the week, i ment that i try to eat less meat and sometimes i eat meat 1-2 days a week.

don't call my eating habits negligible tyvm.

 

Sure technically it can be called "veggie". But so is eating only potato chips and Mountain Dew. Doesn't make a very convincing argument.

 

So basically you didn't consume enough calories and protein to sustain your body weight. The problem wasn't not eating meat. You can easily gain weight without eating meat. Unless you're a complete biological anomaly. Could be, but it's hard to believe.

I didn't call your eating habits negligeable by the way. I called the difference of 4000 calories in a month negligeable, as in not significant, because that's only about how many calories it takes to gain or lose one pound.

 

This only applies to low quality or poorly cooked steak. Really high quality steak you actually aren't supposed to season much, if at all.

I thought I might die of laughter when I read this.

 

ah then i am sorry for acussing you,

anywase like i said i can't eat much due to my ilness (which i am not willing to discuss details here ^^)

but when i had an all veggie diet i ate as much as i could and i was still loosing weight fast...now don't get me wrong the weight which i was on was not unhealthy weight...just the lowest i been in a very long time, and this scared me as i didn't want to loose anymore weight (meat or none meat)

and meat does help people gain weight, much more easily then any kind of veggie product.

anywase i answerd the thread starter's question and that was the only reason i posted in this thread, not too discuss my eating habits...but if you want you can drop me a pm and we can have a convo about it if you really must debate things

peace out dude!

 

I was 23 when I decided that there was enough information on how to live a long, healthy life. I gave up meat and started to avoid most processed foods and sugar. I still eat seafood.

Well, I just want to say that I just had a physical. I'm 56 now and the verdict is I'm amazingly young-looking and healthy for my age. So, I think I made a great decision, and encourage you to do it, too.