Are Right Wing Extremists Crashing Peaceful Protests?

You're talking about Six-eyed Shaman? What happened?

 

Lol no

They did not have common goals beyond not getting their own troops killed. Hitler knew Stalin was powerful and Stalin did not give a shit about capitalism. They had no reason to fight as long as they stayed out of each others way. Hitler did not do that. The end. I know you think because the word soclaism is in the Nazis party name it's the USSR but this again shows your classic poorly educated right wing view.

The right wing can make history whatever they want can't they? Literately every civilization but Amercia is in cahoots and does not love freedom.

I'm not sure what happened to him. He used to come off as a very tolerant left leaning hippie sort of person. Modern politics has shown us who the cruel and ignorant are I guess.

Nor do we recognize the modern fascist republican party. It's not what we grew up with in a country where we used free speech to agree to disagree.

It's better to have morals than to not. Jesus, and Buddha would support BLM before the modern right wing. Rare acts of violence don't discredit a peaceful movement. But hey you have Ben Shaperio right? And since he's married to a doctor he's better than Jesus.

Maye we will respect you when you hold police to the same standard as us .We have " a few bad apples" as well.

 

Unfortunately, it seems like anarchists (not necessarily identifying with any party) and right wing extremists are ''crashing'' peaceful protests.

 

I suspect that's right. There seems to be a small but active bunch of anarchists in the Pacific Northwest. My sisters were at the WHO protest in Seattle back in 1999. The demonstrators were peaceful until a bunch of black masked anarchists arrive and started smashing windows, causing a police riot. So this sort of thing has been around for awhile. One of the most influential anarchist thinkers in the country, John Zerzan,one-time confidant of Unabomber Ted Kaczinzky, has been active in the Eugene Oregon scene. The Pacific Northwest Youth Liberation Front, based in Washington, State, and Oregon, consists largely of Generation Z youth who have as their main goal the destruction of the U.S. These punks provide a particularly lawless element in the broader antifascist network called Antifa, which is predominantly millennial. Millennials account for about one-fifth of the greater Portland and metroploitan Seattle areas. The passion of milennials for social issues is legendary. They are the best-educated generation, but nearly two-fifths are unemployed or underemployed. Add to this one of the largest homeless populations in the nation. BBLB mischaracterizes the Portland rioters as BLM. They may be sympathetic to BLM, but most of these demonstrators are white. Portland is the whitest major city in the U.S, with Blacks accounting for only 6% of the total population. In Seattle, the Black population is 6.8%. BBLB has also suggested that "Marxists" are at work, but the Portland developments make no sense from the standpoint of Marxist theory. The people rioting aren't a proletariat with a mission, nor even the functional equivalent of a proletariat: minorities oppressed by capitalists. Instead, they are largely petit bourgeois elements demonstrating in sympathy with BLM, or a lumpenproletarian underclass devoid of class consciousness and acting out of unfocused rage.

On the other side, there are three large right wing organizations of millennial male misfits unable to achieve steady employment or stable relationships with women and driven by the need to prove their manhood in the service of Trump: the Boogaloo Boys, the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer. The Boogaloo Boys, a hard right group seeking to foment civil war in the U.S., is prone to false flag operations. The latter two groups clashed repeatedly with Antifa before the George Floyd incident. A member of Patriot Prayer was killed last night during the group's invasion of Portland in support of their hero, Donald Trump. It was into this volatile mix that Trump poured gasoline and lit a match by sending in his stormtroopers, this pursuant to his obvious master plan of scaring suburban voters into supporting him as the "Law and order" candidate. The troops are gone, but the violence continues because the various participants have a vested interest in seeing that it does. An unknown presence in all of this may have come to light in a strange story involving seven Russians who were charged with harassing an African-American family in Lincoln City, Oregon, on the Fourth o fJuly.Police: 7 men arrested after yelling racial slurs at Black family in Lincoln City - KTVZ Call me suspicious, but what were Russians doing in Lincoln City Oregon harassing African-Americans while the BLM protests were going on in Portland? Russian is now the third most spoken language in Oregon, thanks to some 50,000 immigrants from the former Soviet Union. Seattle also has goodly share of Russian immigrants. Russia has been known to try to divide European and American populations, with its trolls and bots, and Trump still seems to be Putin's man in the White House.

 

Makes no Sense? Neither does leftists "anti-fascists" who act fascist or people who cry that the otherside is fascist and yet ascribe to cancelling everything they don't agree with. But that's where we're at.

I'd prefer not to speak on behalf or about those no longer among us though, as they would probably elaborate better than I could.

I recall you and I having a discussion some odd years ago about Secularism and Morality in society and I maintained that I thought better morality could be achieved in the west than what took/takes place in 20th century USSR and China. If what I've seen from these Marxist/Anarchist far-left terrorist groups and their enablement and occasional support by the establishment left is any indication, I'll have to concede, I was wrong.

 

The Democrats support public education for the poor low income families. In K through 12 they support free public education for all. Trump and the Republicans in contrast say they "just love the under educated voter" ... meaning the ignorant voter ... meaning legally eligible to vote but mentally unqualified.

 

Funny, you Republican agents have made it clear you don't want to fund public education. You also go after college graduates for their student loans as if they are criminals.

 

As you are now. Your fondness for Six-eyed Shaman says a lot about your judgment. I take it he got the gate or made a permanent exit. About time, in my opinion! These forums work best when people use them to share and discuss opinions on important issues. Six was a troll who had his mind made up and used HF deliberately to twist facts and distort truth to persuade others--including increasingly personal attacks on those who disagreed with him, falsely accusing me and others of being Antifa members, rioters, looters, etc. Meaningful discussion is impossible under those circumstances.

I think you're over-reacting to localized events that are the result of peculiar demographic circumstances that don't exist in much of the country, and are letting yourself be skillfully manipulated by our current demagogic President and his followers whose approach to the problem is to throw gasoline on it. You've bought into the alternative reality that a monolithic "left" consists of (to use Hillary's unfortunate phrase) a "basket of deplorables" consisting of those Postmodernist Marxists Jordan Peterson is always ranting about, along with feminazis, anarchists, angry BLM blacks, Social Justice Warriors, soy boys,etc.--all out to destroy the American way of life as we know it. Since these are people I never encounter in my daily life, I tend not to worry about them too much, although I am concerned about the drift of the progressive wing of the Democrats toward radicalism. They dwell in localized urban areas like Seattle, Portland and other "blue" cities, and on some liberal arts and sociology departments on elite college campuses. Despite Trump's inflammatory rhetoric, I don't see anything approximating a leftist revolutionary situation in this country, but I do see real potential for a strong fascist movement on the right. All the ingredients are here: armed militias in the streets, a political party that's substituted a pledge to the leader for the usual platform, a President who claims to be above the law, an Attorney General and Senate who support him and have substituted personal loyalty for loyalty toward our constitution, and worst of all a Demagogue in Chief who deliberately tries to sow division and stir up hatred toward outgroups for political advantage. Wake up before it's too late! He's about to try to steal our election! Seattle and Portland are his Reichstag fire, and he has Russian backing!

 

Perhaps we both are... Because everything you say about a fascist right movement is unintelligible to me. I have a photo from a burned down building by BLM "activists" I took myself. I have nothing like that from people on the right here. So what you say sounds hyperbolic at best or flat out lie.

 

I think the trouble with any protest these days is what we know as the 'rent a mob', these people will roll up at any demo or protest just to cause shit, they don't support any real cause except pinching stuff and fighting. I remember many years ago, they were having trouble with football hooligans in the UK so quite a few matches were played behind closed doors, all that happened was that the 'football hooligans' went and caused trouble at cricket matches!

 

You have a photo of a burned out building? Do you have a photo of the person(s) who burned it down? You're willing to attribute it to "BLM activists"--apparently never having been around the block.

Did you feel a sense of outrage over the killing of George Floyd, the video of the cop with his knee on his neck. Or did you bush it off as another black man with a criminal record who probably got what he deserved? (Wait a minute, it's coming back to me Weren't you the one who posted "evidence" that Floyd died of other causes?) Were you disturbed at all about the pattern of deaths of unarmed black men that led to the formation of BLM? If you can't find empathy with people who are enraged by such a video, you would certainly have trouble understanding the protests--just a bunch of trouble makers. If you could empathize, you might understand that in such events, some folks get carried away and destroy property. Other folks, like umbrella man, destroy property to try to discredit the rioters. And of course, there are the looters--probably not participating in the demonstrations at all but using the opportunity to get the TV or stereo they always wanted. Starting with the "long hot summers" of the sixties, this became SOP in protest riots. Appalling, yes, and no one should make excuses for it. But to turn a blind eye to Trump's demagoguery and assault on the rule of law because you haven't seen anybody burn down a building because of it makes you part of the problem. You watch Trump's birtherism against our first African-American President, his attacks on Muslims and Mexicans, his attacks on the press, his attacks on a largely peaceful demonstration in DC while shamelessly using a church and an upside bible to call of "law and order", and his dispatch of stormtroopers to Portland to add gasoline to the fire--and say you see nothing but your photo of a burned out building? The burning building you're overlooking is the Reichstag!

 

Yes, I did have a sense of outrage about the George Floyd video, even was not particularly against the arson of the Minneapolis precinct the night or two after. I am against every terrorist, looting, arson, etc. Incident since.

Floyd had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system, so other causes certainly contributed to his death, if not caused it. I do think a knee on the neck of an unarmed suspect is bogus and certainly there is the possibility that, in part, contributed to his death.

 

A knee on the neck for that length of time while bystanders are shouting "you're killing him". BTW, bogus means " not genuine; counterfeit; spurious; sham".Definition of bogus | Dictionary.com
Probably not the best word choice, unless you're really denying somehow that the incident happened or that there was something fishy about it. The "terrorist, looting, arson, etc." incidents since Minneapolis have largely been in the Seattle and Washington locales (except , of course, for Kenosho, which was in response to a fresh police killing of a black man. Those venues are sui generis, but the involvement of agents provocateur and false flaggers, not to mention storm troopers and right wing paramilitarists, seems evident. The President of the United States called upon citizen "patriots" (read vigilantes) to go to Kenosho to restore order. One of them killed three people in "self-defense".

 

By bogus, I meant it's dumb that it's allowed even if it's technically permitted by law enforcement in MN.

 

Dumb is too mild a term, but better than "bogus".

 

Excuse my Californianisms

 

I've argued with Six-eyed Shaman about his sloppy use of the word "fascist" as a synonym for authoritarian. Fascism was a particular breed of authoritarianism associated with the likes of Hitler and Mussolini. It's essential characteristics were nativist nationalism, targeting outgroups, blind following of a leader claiming the ability to solve all important problems, and a promise to restore past national glories. Sound like anybody we know?

Yes, the authoritarian left is worse than annoying and needs to be slapped down. Outside the ivory towers of academia and a few anomic messes like Seattle and Portland, I don't think the hard leftists have a lot of influence in this country. Significantly, Biden and Harris are the candidates of the "leftist" party. I don't think Biden/Harris are exactly Marx/ and Lennin. Lovable Bernie is surely too old for another run. Trump, on the other hand...Unfortunately, we may soon get a chance to see Fascism up close and personal after November. BTW, who is the leader of Antifa, or BLM for that matter? We can look the latter up on the website--three ladies with alleged (gasp) Marxist training, I believe. But as fuehrers go, pretty lame.

 

Maybe similar to what you should logically expect if you resist arrest?

Protesters should be carrying signs "Comply, Don't Die" and educate the people since apparently they're not getting educated neither at home not at the govt indoctrination schools. Sad.

 

The constitution of the United States says we don't have to comply. The burden is on law enforcement officials to demonstrate they have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed. Out side that window, they need a court order signed by a judge to come and arrest someone. The police can arrest someone which had been observed while committing a crime, say like Kyle Rittenhouser, who was observed killing human beings. The trouble here is that police are often members of white nationalist groups and hate minorities. So, when the matter reaches the court, the lawyers are going to ask where you got the right to arrest persons during a march for the civil rights of Black people. And they will ask why Rittenhouser was not arrested after witnesses told the police that he had shot a man. Remember, that Rittenhouser made it all the way back to his mommy's house. And he had to be extradited. His mommy needs to answer some questions too. She was the one who drove him with AR-15 and bullets to Kenosha so he could be there in the mix of it.

 

Not at all. You're equating lawful authority with vigilantism. Kyle armed himself with a weapon he was too young to own lawfully, crossed state lines, and engaged in vigilante law enforcement. Comply with what? Some 17 year old twerp playing cop? The sad thing is people like you can't see the difference. You could do with a little education yourself.